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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 10:48 am 
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As you can imagine, photos of that area are a bit sparse. Everything I could find is below, lightened for better visibility. There was a walkway that wrapped around the rear of the bulkhead, sitting right above storage for a boat. Sounds like it's just placed too high by Fujimi.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:59 am 
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Thanks Dan. I think you are correct that Fujimi simply has it too high. I will see if I can determine the actual height of the platform off the boat deck.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 12:36 pm 
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It was very similar to the platform on the Shokakus. Just thought of these pics:


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2018 3:14 pm 
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I am doing a little research for an upcoming build of Hiryu and have some questions:
1. Does anyone know a good deck color for IJN carriers ? Tamiya’s deck tan acrylic is not orange enough, I think.
2. Which Fine Mold Type 89 twin 12.7 cm gun set is appropriate ? WA13 or WA31 ?

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2018 5:42 pm 
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I have done numerous carriers and Tamiya's Sand #46 is a good match for the yellow flight deck.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2018 5:45 pm 
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actually, I think that #3 Tamiya dark Yellow is better


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 9:25 am 
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It's hard to find a color match right out of the bottle. I have yet to find one. Custom mixes help but, IMHO, you'll still need a wash of sorts to bring out orange tones. If you do a burnt umber wash over the Tamiya Deck Tan XF-78, you'll get a pretty good version. Varying the amount of burnt umber changes the tone.

There's no clear photo of a Hiryu mount, so it's not clear which version was appropriate for Hiryu. The mounts differ only in that there's a small cover over the recoil tubes and breaches. It appears that the Shokakus had them, and the FM site says Soryu did as well, so ........................?


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thank you all.

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All,

I am getting ready to start my 1/700 Fujimi Hiryu, (probably circa Midway, but maybe Pearl Harbor instead) so I will have lots of questions, since I typically do not do IJN, but have long admired the ships and fine models out there !

Frist question: A lot of IJN ships had ropes and sandbags along the island and around gun positions - did Hiryu have these features at either Midway or Pearl Harbor ?

Second Question: There is a very, very detailed build of Hiryu here, does anyone know of the accuracy ?:
http://mmzone.co.kr/album/showcase.php? ... 0#end_page

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Frist question: A lot of IJN ships had ropes and sandbags along the island and around gun positions - did Hiryu have these features at either Midway or Pearl Harbor ?


Yes. Certainly around the bridge, as that was the custom (see photos below). Probably around the 25mm positions, less certain about the 12.7cm mounts, though there may have been hawser ropes hung to either side as splinter shields. The photographic record is spotty.

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Second Question: There is a very, very detailed build of Hiryu here, does anyone know of the accuracy ?:


It is a very nice build, though weathered a bit much for my taste. It is generally accurate, though the spotted air group is all wrong. The practice was to spot fighters and either dive bombers or torpedo planes. The doctrine was to launch a balanced strike of all three types between the two ships of a carrier division, with both ships contributing fighters, and the other ship in the division (Soryu) contributing whichever type was not spotted on Hiryu. A maximum strike package on one carrier would be 9-12 Zeros (most likely 9) and 18-21 DBs or TBs. The two blue stripes are correct, as Hiryu was the #2 ship in the 2nd CarDiv.


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Rob Weilacher wrote:
Second Question: There is a very, very detailed build of Hiryu here, does anyone know of the accuracy ?:
http://mmzone.co.kr/album/showcase.php? ... 0#end_page

Thank you,
Rob

The weathering doesn't look too bad to me above the waterline, but that amount of rust on the lower hull is wrong. It would more likely be covered with marine growth, but since you only build waterline it's not a problem. As usual, Dan K is correct about the deck load. Common practice for the Japanese was to split the offensive types between in each carrier division pair. That simplified logistics for the armorers.


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Available kits and gallery entries for Hiryu (courtesy of Dan Kaplan) added to the first page.

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