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PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 2:41 pm 
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Well, as if there was any real doubt, Tracy was absolutely correct. :worship_1:

I am rather dissapointed. Guess I'll just have to order the other stuff. Still, FANTASTIC kit!!! :woo_hoo:

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I'm very happy with my purchase. :big_grin: I just tried to send a photo but the file size was too large. Mine is waterlined and has one thumb size superglue print complete with skin on it's hull. I cut mine a 1/4" below paint line and the top of the flight deck is just under 2 1/2" high. The basic deck width is Approx 4" wide. If you lay out all of the P/E it totals 40"x12"


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Hi,
After making a little research, during the first wave the were no Vals flying, only high level and torpedo Kates and 9 Zeros.
It was during the second wave that Akagi's Vals were used and no Kates were present.
Again a wave of 9 Zeros departed.

Anyone have chosen the type of planes to place on the kit's deck?
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Since I'm depicting the Akagi at anchor prior to sailing for Midway, mine will be a bit of everything.

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I covered this in my review in the air group section near the bottom (tree AI).

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Tracy White wrote:
I covered this in my review in the air group section near the bottom (tree AI).


Thanks for the review Tracy.
One question remains though. If you want to depict 9 Zeros on deck for any of the 2 attack waves, wouldn't the a/c kit decals repeat itself thus needing you to custom make extra serial decals?
It would be helpful to know which Zeros were present on the 1st or 2nd waves. Do you have that info?
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No, there is a lot that is unknown in terms of aircraft and pilot assignments. I'll see what I can chase down in the next week or so.
AI-154 is conspicuously missing from the sheet; this was the zero that was shot down and crashed at Fort Kamehameha:
http://mysite.verizon.net/vzesjnq0/id7.html

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When you buy the extra plane sets the decals have single numbers so you can make any tail code you want and they also provide tail codes for planes belonging to other ships...I guess they get reassigned to a different ship to form mixed units near the end of the war..


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Review of the new Hasegawa kit posted here. Additional aircraft information from a good friend:

David Aiken wrote:
Had a wonderful series of e-mails today from Mexico, a modeler in receipt of the new 350th kit. He had no knowledge of which aircraft were on which wave or the genius of Minoru Genda in the changes made to make full use of the existing aircraft for the host of variables the aerial attack contained. In these responces, I now hope to share some of this with others who may be in such a cavern without a candle.

EAST WIND RAIN by Stan Cohen [Missoula, MT: Pictorial Histories Pub; 1981, major revision 1991, corrected 1994, retitled ATTACK ON PEARL HARBOR 2000) is the largest pictorial of the attack in any language. On page 15 is the list: "Total Participants" which relates the aircraft usage for all six aircraft carriers. I can send this by e-mail via PearlHarborHistory AT Hotmail.com for those in need.

Simply, the Akagi KATEs and nine Zeros were used in the first wave; another nine Zeros with the Akagi VALs were used in the second wave.

Akagi Zeros and VALs were painted overall gray-green (Tamiya XF-76). The KATEs were also painted overall gray-green, then a coat of dark green was painted on the upper surface. The gray-green was a gloss...not the extremely high-gloss which we once used on car models in the 1960s, but gloss none-the-less. The dark green was a semi-gloss. ADD white for scale effect. Your judgement may come into play for 1/350 scale.

Tamiya produced this ŠD—ΐF "Hairyokushoku" [literally 'gray-green'] for their 1/32 Zero 21 and "unsaturated" (lightened) the color for use on 1/32 and 1/48 scale miniatures: http://tamiyashop.jp/shop/images//8/1/81776.jpg

Sweet has "unsaturated" the ŠD—ΐF "Hairyokushoku" color even further for 1/144 scale Zeros. http://www.ms-plus.net/images_item/19000/19120.jpg

Gaia has their ŠD—ΐF "Hairyokushoku" version:
http://www.ms-plus.net/images_item/20000/20487.jpg

and Mr Color is selling ŠD—ΐF "Hairyokushoku", too.

Tamiya: http://tamiyashop.jp/shop/product_info. ... s_id=81776
Sweet: http://www.ms-plus.com/search.asp?id=19120
GAIA: http://www.ms-plus.com/search.asp?id=20487
Mr Color: http://kakaku.livedoor.com/item_info/20773440560134

The latest color discoverys are from Japan. Several Japanese researchers made a concerted task to locate color documents with great success. Three Japanese Navy documents and a IJA document have been located thus far.

The first document published was Feb 1942 IJN Document Number '0266', a test of variety of colors applied to the famous Zero. A large amount of discussion began, yet the conclusion was that more searching was required.
Page 1: http://groups.msn.com/japanesemodelairc ... otoID=1568
Page 2:
http://groups.msn.com/japanesemodelairc ... otoID=1569

The next document located and GAKKEN magazine printed was an April 1945 IJN document number '8609' and the number system was drastically different than '0266' for the same color name. Page 1: http://groups.msn.com/japanesemodelairc ... otoID=1527 (All pages are posted at this URL).

Digging continued. and TWO copies of the November 1938 IJN document [April 1942 revision] gTemporary Specification No.117 Additional Volumeh were located. This truely laid out the colors used in WWII and the other documents (above) helped to show some changes as the war progressed. http://www5d.biglobe.ne.jp/~cocoro/subw117-2.htm

The study continues for applications of select color CHANGES used in 'the factory' or in 'the field'. The factorys made changes as paint production was bombed.

Satoshi Kimura, the son of the late Tadao Kimura (pilot of Zero AI-101 at Pearl Harbor), wrote more about the history of Japanese color (This is a machine translation):
http://translate.google.com/translate?u ... en&ie=UTF8

Check the 'Ame' (caramel) 'Iro' (color) at: http://groups.msn.com/japanesemodelairc ... mples.msnw Its use ceased pre-war and was NOT used at Pearl Harbor.

Uniquely, in October 1941, the orders came down for VALs and KATEs of the Kido Butai to receive camouflage. At that moment, these VALs and KATEs were in NMF, with silver painted on the fabric surfaces. Most had red lacquer tails.

Japanese witnesses recall that this painting had to be worked around the training schedule. KATE and VAL types were training at various airfields. Paint stocks at each of the bases were used to paint both Nakajima aircraft and Aichi aircraft.

A few fields had only gray-green paint in enough quanity, then those aircraft got gray-green...while most fields had only 'Tsuchi' (earth, mud) 'iro' (color) called 'I3'. Thus you may understand there was little uniformity between aircraft carriers.

As we see from relics, the Akagi and Kaga VALs and KATEs received FIELD APPLICATIONS of greenish-gray on their undersurface. Akagi/Kaga KATEs were at Kagoshima Field. Akagi/Kaga VALs were at Tomitaka Field.

Soryu/Hiryu VALs were at Kasanohara Field and received the gray-green.

The Shokaku KATEs were at Usa Field and received I3: http://groups.msn.com/japanesemodelairc ... hotoID=118 . Zuikaku KATEs were there, too.

Other training fields were:
Izumi Field: Soryu/Hiryu KATEs... They stretched their stock of the D2 dark green by application of thinner coats to the KATEs than what other units' aircraft received.
Oita Field: Shokaku/Zuikaku VALs

Zeros were already in a factory finish 'M0/M1'. They trained at:
Omura Field; Oita Field; and Saeki Field.

Thus from relics, photos, and witnesses:

Akagi VALs and KATEs were painted in 'hairyokushoku' [translated 'gray-green', greenish gray]...the KATEs were then painted over the upper surfaces with dark green. The upper surface dark green 'D2' color may be seen in the 'D' series of the '117' color swatches.

weathered gray-green...from an Akagi Val crash in the ocean: http://groups.msn.com/japanesemodelairc ... PhotoID=99

An UN-weathered sample, recovered by a USS Raleigh crewman from the Akagi dive bomber crash on USS Curtiss, is also colored gray-green. http://groups.msn.com/japanesemodelairc ... otoID=1195

Kaga VALs and Kaga KATEs were coated gray-green and were then the KATEs were covered over the upper surfaces with dark green; the Kaga KATEs' red tails was over coated with a brown to probably aid in reforming.

Soryu and Hiryu KATEs were coated with I3, a tannish, brownish khaki color [which American witnesses at crash sites at Pearl Harbor called 'mustard']. The KATEs then had a thin coating of green was applied to the upper surface. The witness reports say that brown flakes were showing on these KATEs. The photo of Juzo Mori: http://groups.msn.com/japanesemodelairc ... PhotoID=84 and his B5N in early 1942 shows the I3 showing through the D2 green and newly applied paint repairs to the chipped paint using more I3.

Shokaku and Zuikaku VALs received the I3 coating...
We know that Shokaku KATEs got the I3 coating, did the Zuikaku KATEs? The Shokaku KATEs only got a dark green application over the upper surface of the main wings and horizontal stabs...and the dorsal spine of the fuselage... While the Zuikaku KATEs got green over all the upper surface [like Akagi].

Sidnei Maneta has nice COLOR artwork for "Pearl Harbor" and other CV borne actions:
"Pearl": http://groups.msn.com/japanesemodelairc ... craft.msnw
"Other" includes MIDWAY: http://groups.msn.com/japanesemodelairc ... units.msnw

For more Japanese aircraft details for 7 Dec 1941: http://www.pearlharborattacked.com/cgi- ... ct=SF;f=11

Cheers,
David Aiken, a Director: Pearl Harbor History Associates, Inc. http://www.pearlharbor-history.org/

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Was Akagi's coverage of hammocks for splinter shielding on the island during the Pearl Harbour attack, the same for Midway?

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Probably. She was wearing the same setup when she departed Staring Bay in !942 for the Indian Ocean Raid, so, seems likely.


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Two quick questions:

1) I'm starting my 1/350 Akagi with research. Looking at the linoleum surfaces, I noticed that the narrow walk ways along the side of the ship are linoleum yet lack the brass rods. So this is either an error that the rods aren't molded in or that the brass rods are not needed for such narrow widths?

2) The brass rods I read are 3 cms thick that hold the linoleum. That makes them 0.0857mm (or 0.003 inches) thick in 1/350 scale. I'm pretty sure you can purchase 0.08 and/or 0.09 mm brass. Did the brass rod on the real ship sit completely on top of the linoleum or was it depressed into the deck?

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 7:04 am 
Hello Jon,

I'm also building the 1/350 IJN Akagi and I'm trying to understand what the brass rods are in the linoleum. Is it placed like "grout" between tiles? Is it like the aft section.... the raised detail area (section to be painted linoleum)?

Also do you have any info/photos or diagrams of the hanger decks and elevator mechanisms?? I'm scratch buiding the lower hanger decks and have some info from j-aircraft site.


Sorry for shifting off topic.


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The brass strips were used to hold down the linoleum.


The info from j-ships is very good. There are 1-2 photos taken aboard Akagi from somewhere on the boat deck looking aft but detail is elevated. The best alternative bet for structure references in that location are photos of Kaga taken during her original conversion. Set-up is likely to be similar. Will try to post a couple of examples when I return to work next week.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 12:17 pm 
Dan,

I was looking at photos of the 1/10 Yamato at Kure (linoleum aft section) is that the brass holding down the linoleum???


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I think this shot might better illustrate it. CL Tama and the deck around #6 mount.


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I was curious about this, and figured Akagi fans will be the best people to answer that.


What is the 'myth' around Akagi as an aircraft carrier?

The thing is, when we say IJN carrier, Akagi is usually one of the first name that will always pop up. What made her distinctively different, besides being the only one of her class? (I'm more of a BB fan, so carriers are still relatively new to me. I just know Akagi played a major role during the Pearl Harbor attack, but so did other carriers, no?)

One can say the Yamato BBs are unique because of their armament, size and design...

The Fuso class BBs could be said to have very exotic designs, especially their superstructures, and their very unique turret placements, etc.



How does Akagi stand out from the rest of her carrier sisters from other classes?


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Akagi was the flag ship of the Kido Butai... the special attack force centered around six carriers that did so much in the beginning of the war. She was the carrier that Mitsuo Fuchida, overall commander of the attack on Pearl, launched from. She is the carrier that Admiral Nagumo and his staff were attached to. So in many respects she was the heart of the operations at Pearl Harbor and Midway, thus Americans tend to focus on her.

Plus it's easier to pronounce than "Soryu", "Zuikaku," etc. for most Americans as well! :big_grin:

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That certainly explains the prestige of the ship! Now it's clear! I'll definately look closer at the ship.

Haha, but then again, you'd be surprised...

Akagi technically should be pronounced, probably, AH-KA-GUEE.

The gentleman at my store can never get it right, "AH-KA-GEE", Gee as in Geez!

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