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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:44 pm 
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I just talked to a friend of mine who said he read in a book years ago that some of the Japanese survivors raised a makeshift sail on the deck of the Hiryu after they were left abandoned...??? Could that be the object?


With all due respect, that's not a makeshift sail.


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Well, I've given my view.

Gonna have to move this portion of the thread to the Soryu/Hiryu CASF at some point.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:53 am 
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I think it's the elevator and it has simply fallen over. It's possible that the elevator folded when it was blown out, which would explain why it looks larger in one photo. The direction of the smoke is significant, too, because the swells will come in the direction of the wind. That means Hiryu was rocking sideways between troughs and swells, which would also affect the stability of the elevator.

I can understand crew members rigging a sail on one of the ship's boats. They could have laid it out on deck before putting it on the boat, but even the most novice sailor would know that a sail that small would have no effect of a ship of that size.


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No, the item in front of the island is the forward elevator.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:08 am 
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No, the item in front of the island is the forward elevator.

And you base you unequivocal assertion on what?


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No, the item in front of the island is the forward elevator.

And you base you unequivocal assertion on what?

I don't know, maybe all the previous posts that seem to indicate it's the elevator?

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And you base you unequivocal assertion on what?

I don't know, maybe all the previous posts that seem to indicate it's the elevator?


But what would the survivors from the ship who say it was the elevator really know. I'm sure "guest" knows more than anyone else.

Sorry about being snippy, but this is getting old.
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But what would the survivors from the ship who say it was the elevator really know.
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They might say "...going up"!

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Just to put this point to bed - I didn't note the specific page in Shattered Sword, but three eyewitness survivors are cited as to identifying the object in question as clearly being the forward elevator.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:13 am 
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I'm really glad some of you folks have ability to really dig into these photos.

TF48, DanK, KUDO's.

I'm really impressed the elevator impregnated itself in the flight deck to begin with.
What are the chances??

I dont know Japanese Carriers, so there's nothing holding the elevator up on the port side
in the bow shot, correct??

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2019 8:31 pm 
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Dan K wrote:
Just to put this point to bed - I didn't note the specific page in Shattered Sword, but three eyewitness survivors are cited as to identifying the object in question as clearly being the forward elevator.


One more eyewitness from the USN side:

Lt jg Norman Kleiss was interviewed about his bombing of the Hiryu and in regard to his Bomb hitting the edge of the forward elevator and blowing it up and out toward the island, was recorded as saying this :
"... like a taco, rolled it back on top of itself."

For those interested in a possible Dio...

Seems like these 2 photos do show it bent almost in half and resting just forward of the island. The 2 bent segments of the elevator supporting the entire assm to keep it upright. I do not believe it shifted in any way between the taking of the two known photos. The different 'Look" of the 2 photos is due to reflections of portions of the elevator and other debris in my opinion.


Try making a cutout of the elevator in the same scale as your model. Bend it almost in half and place it on the deck. It does not need to lean against the island to remain upright. It does, however, seem to lean in toward the island. Note that the white deck stripe is visible on a section of the elevator and can give you a point of reference.


My take on this photo:


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