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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 1:18 am 
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I've been going through Hancock's departure report tonight and Pearl Harbor Navy Yard was ordered to fabricate Hancock's.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:16 pm 
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Antietam stopped at San Diego from June 10-13 1945 after passing thru the canal. She hit Pearl on June 19th.
I found a couple diary entries on Google books that on July 18th Antietam had gunnery practice out of Pearl.
Thats a month from when she arrived, ample time to get them installed given the grueling pace of repair work.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:56 pm 
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Checked out her War Diaries on Fold3 and on June 22 she reports "Entered No. 4 Graving Dock, Navy Yard, for availability in connection with increase to 40mm armament." She reports "Navy Yard, Pearl Harbor Availability" from June 23 - July 14th but doesn't report when she left dry dock. She fueled up on the 15th, so certainly before then.

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BINGO. Thanks Tracy!!!!

I forget about that Fold3 site, maybe cause ya gotta pay. LOL.


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I pay a couple of grand a year to go to archives, so FOld3 is "cheap" in comparison and I have an annual subscription to save me time when I'm on site at archives. :thumbs_up_1:

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 11:57 pm 
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You have a passion Tracy, and its greatly appreciated!


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Well, it's also a big hang out party with friends now too. Hang out, research, talk history, have the shared experience of lunch made by the lowest bidder (government contract, but better than MREs by a bit). I really do have to start finishing books though.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:05 pm 
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Tracy White wrote:
I can't remember which ship - I think it is Philippine Sea but I can't remember where the photos are or if they're online. It's post war, heading east through the Panama Canal, and a couple of the sponsons were cut off and set on the flight deck for the transit.


Found it! It was Philippine Sea. Note that these are not the starboard side sponsons but the quad 40mm "bumps" on the outboard side of the port-side sponson that replaced the catapult flipper. They're the two structures outboard of the left scout plane.


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anj4de wrote:
I guess this explains also why Intrepid's were cut of in that picture. I guess she is on her way from mothballs to an east coast yard to receive SCB-27? The 40mm positions are also gone!

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:52 am 
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Note that in the second, yard side photo, that the weld lines from the sponson that replaced the catapult flipper are visible (not strictly weld lines, just a rough cut not ground down). If you get a close enough photo you can see the same thing generally for the starboard side sponsons.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 5:28 pm 
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Hello all

Yesterday I receive a super thick Essex class book...that I spotted on a page for small adds where people sell all kind of stuff. It's absolutely huge, almost 500 pages, a lot of pictures, an extra map booklet and some plans of Randolph and Intrepid. Normally rather expensive I got it for 20 bucks...and it came in mint condition. It's this here...

https://www.amazon.com/Essex-Class-Carr ... 8360041490

I do not know how accurat it is yet since I have not taken a deeper dive into it but it has some nice, so far unknown, pictures in it. A few carriers are excellentely covered, Lexington for example, and guess which is the one with the worst coverage when it come to pictures...yes, of course...Hancock! :-(

The Lexington island pictures might be interesting for Steve in order to do the end of war version of his 3D island. I am also going to dive into another so far not too well documented section of the Essex class islands, the area around the aft Mk-37 director and the aft Mk.51 tub. Here the kits I have all seem to be wrong one way or the other...

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I have a copy - it's too large for me to want to to through and do a page-by page review, but I did find problems. Lots of good content, don't get me wrong, but it's not 100% accurate and should serve merely as a starting point for questions.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:25 pm 
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I've probably read this entire thread about 5 years ago when I was given the Trumpeter 1:350 Essex Kit, but only recently have started construction, so I hope I'm not being hopelessly redundant. In 117 pages, I'm sure that many have documented an Essex build.

I'm going to attempt to do it with the same level of attention and details that I used in my Tamiya Missouri (which I posted in 2012 when it was finished). To keep people from having to search out that post, here's a link to it.

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That build was difficult, but so successful vis a vis what I was striving for that I now have the bar so high I may not be able to replicate it. But that doesn't mean I'm not going to try. As a result, I purchased the standard and enhanced GMM Essex kits, and a set of enhanced 40mm quads with shields from Alliance Model Works. The guns were required since I've already modified the forward port sponson to include the late War added extra 40mm gun mounts. My mod is not 100% accurate since I based it on the existing Trumpeter sponson to which I add the gun tubs, solid rail and faired lower portion under the tubs. But their sponson is shorter than the sponson that housed the extra guns. The viewers who will see this model probably won't notice, bu I would bet there are readers of this thread who will notice. C'est la vie.

I'm doing the ship in Measure 21 (all navy blue vertical surfaces and deck blue horizontals). I used Life Color's naval set for the Missouri and did Measure 22 so I was left with all the grays (except haze gray). Since I did my Mo with "natural teak deck" because of the specific time period I modeled (after the deck blue was holystoned off on the way back to Pearl after the Surrender signing) I didn't use much of the deck blue so I have that for the Essex. But I'm almost completely out of 5N Navy Blue. I don't want to have to buy another Naval Set and have even more grays left over, so I'm going to try and mix my own using Tamiya colors. I love how Tamiya airbrushes and have more experience with it than anything else.

My progress so far has been to build all the hangar walls, detail the fantail, and do a lot of filling with Tamiya putty. This is an old Trumpeter kit (2002) so the fits were marginal. I'm very spoiled with Tamiya and Hasegawa kits, but the subject matter is terrific so you put up with the extra work. Besides, whenever I complain about a modeling project being difficult, my wife reminds me that it is a hobby and I shouldn't complain about since nobody is forcing me to do it. "It's not work!"

I chose to complete the fantail since so much of it is unreachable after some of the structures are in place. The same can be said for the bow area. I brush painted the fantail area, will probably airbrush the bow and air brush the rest of the work. I opened up a random number of roller and hangar doors since I want to show the interior of the hangar since Trumpeter was nice enough in this model to include some of the shapes. They didn't do this on their Hornet which my older grandson has been building.

https://s19.postimg.org/pyimkfyar/Essex ... l_Comp.jpg

https://s19.postimg.org/5k33ikuab/Essex ... Comp_2.jpg

https://s19.postimg.org/l5kf2l3oj/Essex ... nded_1.jpg

I added some chain I had to the bow, but honestly, you won't see much of this. It's not like the Missouri where the anchor hardware is hanging out in the open for everyone to see.

https://s19.postimg.org/em612o51f/Essex ... nstall.jpg

I'm going to use some LEDs to illuminate the hangar deck. To make this happen I pre-installed a plug-in connector to the mid-bottom of the full hull piece and then added a conduit to penetrate both the hangar deck and one of the side hangar structures so the wires can be run along the ceiling without being visible. I used a piece of brass tubing CA'd into the hole. This way the wiring will feed though the structures without hanging up on anything.

https://s19.postimg.org/81eupvohf/Essex ... ctor_2.jpg

All those obsolete ac adaptors laying around in drawers all over everyone's house from all those useless electronic devices make great power supplies for LEDs. I've just purchased another useful part of this circuit, a micro circuit LED driver. It's a little component about the size of an old discrete transistor. You put in any DC (or rectified AC) voltage from 5 to 90 volts and out spits 20 ma current perfectly suited for typical LEDs. You can string as many in series as you'd like realizing that they each drop 3 volts (or thereabouts), so if you're using a 12 VDC adapter you can run 4 LEDs in series. Since the circuit is limited to 20 ma, you don't need any current limiting resistors in front of the LEDs.

https://s19.postimg.org/6avtnwm8j/Essex ... el_Top.jpg

If there's any interest in me continuing ANOTHER Essex build, let me know. Otherwise, I'll just post the conclusion.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:02 pm 
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Tracy White wrote:
I have a copy - it's too large for me to want to to through and do a page-by page review, but I did find problems. Lots of good content, don't get me wrong, but it's not 100% accurate and should serve merely as a starting point for questions.


Your observations go inline with what I have read about Trojka books in general. This is why I did not buy it so far...but when it popped up 2nd hand, well...
Speaking of books...when is the book of books on the Essex class going to be published? ;-)

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 8:22 am 
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Hello all

Another question...or observation on Essex class islands...the main mast tripod! It appears that there are two versions of that one around, and early one with normal platforms and a later one with a re-enforcement with three oval cut outs. I have so far found out:
9, 10, 11, 16, 18 and 31 have the early version, from 12 on we see the re-enforced version. So basically all long hulls and later short hulls had the re-enforced version. Lexingon as far as I have seen so far is the only one that was "born" with the early tripod and was later modified to a re-enforced one BUT not of the same pattern as the others. It had only two roundish openings...
Researching this class is really exiting but can almost drive you insane. I do not think there were ever two ships identical at any time. Some examples for the masts

Early/simple mast platforms...here CV-10 Yorktown
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Re-enforced mast platform...here CV-12 Hornet
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Lexington special...as build and late war
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I have a Dragon short hull in early configuration here half build, it's the hornet kit. Not sure yet which carrier it will be...but I want to use a 3D island for the first time.

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anj4de wrote:
Researching this class is really exiting but can almost drive you insane. I do not think there were ever two ships identical at any time.


That's one reason why I decided early on to focus just on the WWII ships to start. It's at least "manageable." :heh:

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Another point of intrest is the area around the rear Mk.37 or better it's base. I am trying to find out if there was a direct passage way from the platform right behind the funnel to the director. In a lot of pictures it looks like it, then in others it looks like you have to crawl through the Mk.37 mount to get to the director. I only know one picture that clearly shows this area...and it's post war! :-( They also had alraedy removed the search light/20mm platform at that time. CV-17 Bunker Hill after they put the puzzle back together...

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It's looks pretty clearly in this image on the Lexington that was posted above yours that the way into the director was through the open door at its base.


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