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Well, I bit the bullet and got the Trumpeter 1/350 CV-2 kit. Just got a question for everyone one. What paints are you all using on her? I am shooting for a look around 1939 to just before the war look. So, I am interested in what paints as far Testers, Tamiya, or PollyS and what shades. Also a biggie the wood deck. I am not going for the most Historical look, but a good look of the period.


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Robbie,

I'm currently building the Lex in her Oct 1941 appearance, when she was painted in a Measure 5 scheme. I'm using all Testor's Model Master Marine acrylics:

#4228 Anti Fouling Red
#4237 5-D Dark Gray
#4235 Mahogany Flight Deck Stain
#4236 5-L Light Gray (mast above the funnel)

If you want paint her prior to that, you would need to paint her in Standard Navy Gray, which is #4233 in the Model Master acrylics.

But you better get them fast, as the word is that Testor's will be discontinuing that line of paints soon.

If you prefer to work with enamels, you can get all those colors from White Ensign Models as well.

And just a note: If you build her in any time period before April 1942, you'll want to invest an additional $33 in the Yankee Modelworks backdate kit. The bridge is extremely different prior to April 1942, and she also had four 8" gun batteries instead of the AA platforms forward of the island and abaft of the funnel. You can get it at Trident Hobbies.

Hope this helps.

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Tracy,

Corrected!!!! :oops:

My backdated superstructure is nearing completion. Scratchbuilding the fairing that went between the top of the forward fire control station and the bottom of the fighting top turned into quite a pain, but I've finally gotten a decent looking one. And Martin is giving me some tips on the YKM boat davits that are outboard of the funnel. I think Martin was being charitable when he called them "over-engineered" in his build review!

Avery,

I agree. There's something just inately cool about a carrier having four 8"gun turrets as well!

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Here's another view of the starboard side boats, courtesy of the Motion Models site. The model is the Trumpy Lex, with YMW backdate set. Nice model!

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Here's some shots of the Sara - one looks to be just before the war, one is just after the war started. This first picture is usually labeled as being the Lexington. It's not. You can clearly see the enlarged/enclosed flag plot above the navigation bridge, which makes this Saratoga. See the "box" on the front of the flag plot? That is, according to Robert Stern, a radio direction finder compartment, which was added in mid-1941, when the Sara had her bow widened.

The RDF room and the blue-gray over gray Wildcat date this picture as sometime after October 1941.
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Stern says that there was a radio transmitter and AA guns added to the roof of the flag bridge as well during this refit.

The 2nd picture was taken in January '42 off Oahu. You can clearly see the RDF compartment on the front of the flag bridge, and the searchlight platforms on either side of the flag plot roof. You can just make out the forward AA gun tubs on the widened bow. Again, according to Stern, these were quite different than the gun tubs added to Lex.

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The 2nd picture was taken in January '42 off Oahu. You can clearly see the RDF compartment on the front of the flag bridge, and the searchlight platforms on either side of the flag plot roof.


Actually, the searchlights were on the funnel gallery, not the bridge. Sara had the gallery added during the 1941 refit, and had it removed in 1942. If you look at the outboard searchlight, there are actually two - one at the fore end of the gallery and the other aft.


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The 2nd picture was taken in January '42 off Oahu. You can clearly see the RDF compartment on the front of the flag bridge, and the searchlight platforms on either side of the flag plot roof.


Actually, the searchlights were on the funnel gallery, not the bridge. Sara had the gallery added during the 1941 refit, and had it removed in 1942. If you look at the outboard searchlight, there are actually two - one at the fore end of the gallery and the other aft.


Dick,

In the first picture, it looks like there is a searchlight platform on the roof of the flag plot. If it's not the SL platform, do you know what was carried there - maybe a .50?

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Martin,

The photos I have are not totally clear on the back of the flag-bridge. However, I think the best thing to do is look at the photos of Lexington at the time she had her bow widened. There were searchlights there, but they were the smaller types. The larger searchlights were on the funnel galleries. In the bow shot of Sara, it is possible that the smaller lights are there, but their silhouette may be overwhelmed by the larger lights behind. Compare the 1936 photos with Steve Wiper's 1942 shots. The lights, if still present in 1942, are obscured by the splinter shields and canvas dodgers. The projecting platforms for the lights are still there on both ships. I can locate enough .50 cal positions to account for the published numbers without placing any in the searchlight positions. (or replacing parts of the AA directors - Trumpeter's kit placement of the .50's not withstanding) I hope this is helpful, but I am still looking for something more definitive.

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Here are some progress shots of my Lex, circa Oct 1941:

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Sorry, the overhead one is a little blurry.

Everything is just dry fit at this point. The flight deck is still in 3 pieces (working on that tonight). The hull is primed, but needs a little more filling & sanding at this point prior to painting.

Martin: You may notice that the boat deck is conspicuously devoid of boat davits. That's mainly because you were right....folding part 6 of the PE for the davit is IMPOSSIBLE!!!!

I tried using my etch mate and also folding with 2 razor blades, and ended up with 2 mangled messes. Now I only have one extra before I'm down to the 6 I need. How did you get them folded?

Why YKM would make a tiny brass part that needs folded neatly in half without a folding crease is beyond me, especially when they included creases on the fire control rooms and the pri fly, which would have been INFINTELY easier to fold without a crease!

I'm on vacation next week, so I hope to get most of my painting done then, and have more pics.

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Bob,

Looks great! Sounds like you need that vacation! :lol_1:

If part 6 is the vertical 'strut' that holds up the davit, I used a photo-etch scissors to cut it in half and then only used one half. You must do this slowly and carefully, lest you wreck both halves. As it is, one half usually curls as you cut.

I couldn't see how you could realistically fold that part in half. If I had to do it again, I'd fashion the vertical struts out of brass rod and then superglue the horizontal bracing to the brass rod.

Good luck, keep us posted on your progress!

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Hi all!

Does anybody have some information about Lexington´s Airgroup 1940/ 1941? Do you know which planes she carried?
I saw the great list of Tracy in the Saratoga Thread. Could you, Tracy please post the same for LEX?
Thanks a lot

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I got my Trumpeter 1/700 Lexington yesterday and I think that it is pretty good so far. I have not started the build but inspection of the contents show a great deal of promise. It seems to be a small version of the 1/350 kit. I would say at first look it is at least as good as any other Lexington as far as quality and I think that it is more acurate. Trumpeter seems to be doing it right on their latest ship models.

I have a question about the camouflage though. Can someone confirm that she was painted in MS-11 at Coral Sea? That looks right based on the last photo's of her but I wanted to make sure.


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I have a question about the camouflage though. Can someone confirm that she was painted in MS-11 at Coral Sea? That looks right based on the last photo's of her but I wanted to make sure.


Conventional wisdom says 5N, Navy Blue. However, it's your model, paint her the way you like! I did my 1/350 Lex in 5N, kinda wish I had done 5S, even if it may not be historically correct.

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Thanks for the info Martin. You are quite correct in the idea of doing the way you want. It is easy to get so wrapped up over things that we forget that we are building for fun.

For Torben, I just took a look at navsource and a photo of Lex in Oct of 1941 has F-2A Brewster Bufaloes, SBD Dauntless and TBD Devastators. I would guess that would be the airwing in 1940 as well.


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Was LEX painted in 5N or 5S at the Battle of Coral Sea? Thanks, Rich


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Definately not 5-S

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Well, 5-N it is which would be the MS-11 scheme. When reading the camouflage.com information under the specific ships, are multiple listings in the order of apearance for that year? For example, Lexington is listed as having MS-12, MS-1, MS-5 and MS-11 from top to bottom in 1942. So I would assume that Lex started 1942 with MS-12, got MS-1, the MS-5 bow wave and then repainted with the MS-11. Seems like a lot of paint jobs in 5 months.


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Thank you for your help!

For what my research says the airwing constisted of:

VB 2: SB2U Vindicator
VF 2: F2A2 Buffalo
VS 2: SBC 4 Helldiver
VT 2: TBD 1 Devastor

In my opinion this was the Airgroup of 1940/1941. I want to build the LEX in her 01/41 outfit.
The Vindicators disappereared sometime in January 1941. The piantsheme of the planes must have changed sometime from January to March 1941.

On 07/12/41 the Airgroup consisted of:

VB 2: SBD-2 Dauntless
VF 2: F2A2 Buffalo
VS 2: SBD-2 Dauntless and SBD-3 Dauntless
VT 2: TBD 1 Devastor


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I have full details for the USN carrier air groups from 7 December through the close of 1942 - the time before being far less interesting to me. For details on 7 December 1941, you might find this interesting.

USS Lexington was in position 23.46 N, 170.56 W, approximately 420 nm Southeast of Midway. She was assigned to TF 12 under Rear-Admiral John Henry Newton, USNA05 and escorted by three heavy cruisers of Cruiser Division 6 under Rear-Admiral Frank Jack Fletcher, USNA06, Newton’s flagship USS Chicago (CA-29), USS Portland (CA-33), and Fletcher’s flagship USS Astoria (CA-34), as well as five destroyers, USS Porter (DD-356), USS Flusser (DD-368), USS Drayton (DD-366), USS Lamson (DD-367), and USS Mahan (DD-364). Lexington was carrying 80 aircraft:

CLAG: 1 x SBD-3
VF-2: 17 x F2A-3 one other was lost on 05.12.41
VS-2: 1 x SBD-2, 14 x SBD-3
VB-2: 17 x SBD-2
VT-2: 12 x TBD-1 three others remained at NAS Pearl Harbor
VMSB-231: 18 x SB2U-3

Task Force 12 had departed Pearl Harbor on 5 December to deliver the eighteen Marine Vindicators to Midway Atoll. The plan was to approach within 400 miles and then fly the the squadron off to land on the Eastern Island airfield. Lexington would then be free to continue training/scouting. This position would have been reached by mid-morning of 7 December. Upon learning of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, Lexington launched search planes to hunt for the Japanese fleet, and at midmorning headed South to rendezvous with Vice-Admiral Brown’s (USS Indianapolis (CA-35)), and Vice-Admiral Halsey’s (USS Enterprise (CV-6)) task forces to conduct a search Southwest of Oahu until returning to Pearl Harbor on 13 December.


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Ladies & gentlemen...I give you......DAVITS!

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I'm not totally happy with the way they came out, but at least they are on, and I don't have to screw around with them anymore!

Now I just have to find a couple 1/350 40 ft. motor launches.

Also a pic with the flight deck painted, but not installed yet.

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I love that mahogany flight deck stain color!

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Ladies & gentlemen...I give you......DAVITS!


Very nice Bob!! Damn, I wish mine had come out that nicely!!

For the boats, try Trident Hobbies website. Go under resin ships, then Yankee Model Works Replacement parts and look for boats there.

If they don't sell them, contact Commanders/Iron Shipwright. I bought a set of boats for their Oklahoma kit and used them on my Sara.

Again, nice work - she's coming out really great.

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