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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:17 am 
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Hello Mike,

There is indeed quite some things that are hard to know for sure about her final configuration. Tracy helped me very well with my own build too (thanks again Tracy!), and he already explained the best guess for deck markings. It is not really certain though, but only if new photographs pop up we will learn more.

NH 76560 shows Lex's island best at Coral Sea:
https://www.history.navy.mil/our-collec ... -uss-.html (pic is at bottom right)
Warship Pictorial n°33 has a nice big print of it.

The 8" director is still on top of the bridge. There is railing, but only from the director towards the rear, not to the front of the director. There is splinter matting hanging to the outside of (part of) the railing. There seems to be some kind of FC radar fitted one level higher. I fitted it directly to the roof with standard brackets, but this is pure guesswork from my part. There are some mistakes in my island (both funnel and bridge sections); the Model Monkey bridge (which was developed later) is more accurate. The Model Monkey funnel section would also be a good investment for better accuracy and detail than the kit parts.

IMHO, the rest of the kit is basically very sound, but could do with some extra detailing. The GMM set is quite useful indeed, and replacing the deck-edge netting alone will make a big difference.
The only obvious thing missing from the kit are the degaussing cables. It took me quite some effort to determine how these looked and where they ran, but I believe I got them as correct as possible on my model. I'm only not sure of their configuration at the bow.

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Thanks Marijn, that's some very useful tips and info. I was trading at the Scale Scotland show last Saturday and while I was there I picked up a copy of Warship Pic 33, I had the one with Lex and Saratoga already but I thought it can't hurt to have more info on the Lexington.

That confirms what I thought about the director and the railings. I've got the Model Monkey bridge but can't quite stretch to buying the funnel, besides the funnel is mostly stuck together and painted and has bits of the gmm etch glued on. I guess until clear deck pics are available (if there are any!) I could put some on or leave them off and no one could say I'm wrong for sure either way.

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One thing I've noticed in the Warship Pictorial no 33, is that late 41, it appears Lexington's flight deck was stained in the Dark Stain, would this also be correct in May 42? I've painted the flight deck in the lighter stain as I thought the Darker stain was introduced in 44.

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One thing I've noticed in the Warship Pictorial no 33, is that late 41, it appears Lexington's flight deck was stained in the Dark Stain, would this also be correct in May 42? I've painted the flight deck in the lighter stain as I thought the Darker stain was introduced in 44.

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The stain used by Lexington was different than the stain used mid-war and late-war.

She - and the other USN carriers in 1941 and 1942 - used 250N Norfolk Flight Deck Stain. It's not as dark as deck blue. She wore this stain until she was sunk at Coral Sea. I used Colorcoats 250N on my 1/350 Lexington (the photo below).
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Thanks Martin. I found something to that effect on Ship Camouflage but it wasn't where I thought the info would be so I missed it and then found it by chance, I'll have to see if I have any 250N enamel left as I don't think I have it in my acrylics.

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Good news, I've found a part used WEM Colourcoat 250N Flight Deck stain, I think it was only used to paint the deck on my Hornet. I tried to keep the colourcoats that I couldn't replace with acrylics. Hopefully that means I can paint Lex's deck with the correct colour.

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FYI, the stripes on the deck were similar in color to Ocean Gray.

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Were not the color of the markings that matched 5-0 Ocean Gray supposedly called 251-N?


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MartinJQuinn wrote:
FYI, the stripes on the deck were similar in color to Ocean Gray.


Thanks Martin, that's what I thought!

I see you like my Vittorio Veneto :). Do you still need to email pics in to the admin for posting on the gallery here?

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Mike W wrote:
I see you like my Vittorio Veneto :). Do you still need to email pics in to the admin for posting on the gallery here?

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Yes, that's the best way to get them included in the gallery!

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The Model Monkey bridge has no doors. Did the doors open inwards or outwards? If they open outwards, do they open to the left or right as you look at them?

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Hi Mike,

Doors opened outwards, hinge forward.

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Thanks Steve. I'm working on detailing the bridge with etch from the GMM set and a few kit parts. I built up the kit bridge as a comparison and to help with parts placement etc. I've got the first coat of 251n flight deck stain, I wish it was available in acrylic, it would be loads quicker to do and far less smelly!

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Hello all

I have a MENG Lexington that I plugged togther th eother day...no glue so far...just to see how it is. The fit is excellent and the parts are nicely detailed it seems. Are there any expert comparisons to the Trumpeter Lexington...which seems a scaled down 1/350 ship? Which is the better over all?

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I got a question - I plan the MENG Lex with wood deck and some china-made PE soon, as she was in dec. 41.
Shipcamoflage.com tells me that she was in MS12. MS12 Wood Decks listed there as

Wood Decks.

Wood decks except on submarines and carriers shall be darkened to the color Deck Blue. Deck Blue paint shall be used in lieu of stain for this purpose.

Does that mean the Lex had natural wood decks by this time? Or stained?

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PetrOs wrote:
Does that mean the Lex had natural wood decks by this time? Or stained?


See Martin's post about halfway up the page:

Martin J Quinn wrote:
The stain used by Lexington was different than the stain used mid-war and late-war.

She - and the other USN carriers in 1941 and 1942 - used 250N Norfolk Flight Deck Stain. It's not as dark as deck blue. She wore this stain until she was sunk at Coral Sea. I used Colorcoats 250N on my 1/350 Lexington (the photo below).


Lex had the stained flight deck at least as early as October, 1941.

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Petros,

From what I have always heard or read, all horizontal steel surfaces on American WW2 aircraft carriers (steel decks, tops of turrets, tie down strips etc..) were painted 20-B Deck Blue. Early WW2 American carriers such as Lexington had the flight decks stained with Flight Deck Stain 250-N. Later during the war, it was replaced with Flight Deck Stain 21. Hope this helps you.


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Norfolk 250N is your best bet but it's probably wrong. In fact, almost everything we knew about 1941 carrier decks is wrong, but we don't 100% know what's right yet and likely won't for every carrier.

We've known for a bit that Ranger was conducting camouflage flight deck stain in the Atlantic during 1941, but in the last few years we've learned that the Pacific Fleet was also performing camouflage experiments, at least on Enterprise. I came across this September 3, 1941 memo from Admiral Halsey, serving as "Commander Aircraft, Battle Force" to the Chief of the Bureau of Aeronautics indicating that she was likely painted in an experimental deck paint by late August of 1941. Just a little over a month later he updates them. I haven't found the source letters that are referenced to know if they was only sent to Halsey or were also sent to other carriers.

The earliest reference I have for "250N" is actually December of 1942: directives issued in December of 1941 actually reference a formula "L-81-3M." If you compare the two side-by-side, they're largely the same ingredients, but in much different quantities. L-81-3M has about 80 lbs of "Ultramarine Blue" to 7 lbs. for color versus 6.4 to 8, respectively. Are the two Ultramarine Blues the same, or was 250N much more of a hint of blue, and what are the S&S paint chips we've been using based of of?

We know from this article that Lexington had painted over her pre-war maroon stain over painted by some sort of blue by October of 1941. We know that that for L-81-3M, "The original production of deck stain was shaded to match standard samples of No. 20-B paint and the marking paint to match No. 5-0 paint."

We don't know for sure what the Pacific fleet was doing.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:52 am 
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Thanks!

A question is then - when did she had the wood colored deck last time, maybe I would backdate her ;)

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