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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2021 4:15 pm 
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I shall stop calling it the armoured belt then, since that isn't actually visible. But in any case that's the blister I'm using as a reference point, which sits well above the waterline as designed but seems mostly submerged in WWII service. I'm satisfied now that this was the case and that what the plans booklet calls "emergency draught" may have been actually quite common.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2022 9:42 pm 
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A still of Sara April '41.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2022 2:27 pm 
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Pretty late to this thread, but Friedman's US Carriers book noted the fact that by '43/'44, Sara was badly overweight. So much so that the armoured belt was a foot below the waterline despite the blisters, and stability could be critically endangered by as little as one or two near-miss bombs that opened the hull near the waterline. The ship reported displacement as high as 52,500 tons battle ready, of which which BuShips was skeptical. However, even at 48,000+ tons on a nominal design displacement of 36,000 tons, things were clearly not good. BuShips recommended that the CO very carefully manage the voids in the torpedo protection system to avoid critical stability problems in the event of almost any hull damage at all.

In view of this I'd say that even though the keel-to-flight-deck distance would likely not have changed, the waterline-to-flight-deck distance undoubtedly shrank from commissioning to early war to final refits.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2023 6:12 am 
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can anyone identify this object? Photo was taken in 1942

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2023 12:03 pm 
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Most likely a Mk 44 director: https://www.navsource.org/archives/01/57mk.htm

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 2:16 pm 
The conversation in this thread got me hooked, and I was wondering what pictures were provided for Model Monkey by Dick J to draw the late 1941 funnel version of SARA. Would it be possible to share those?

Thank you very much!

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 10:46 pm 
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Here you go.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:13 am 
Thank you so much!

Do you have a date on the 1st pic?

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2023 10:31 am 
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I'm sorry, I don't have an accurate date for that photo other than to say summer-fall, 1941. Similar photos with aircraft in the same colors were taken aboard in early October, 1941 (Doyle, pg. 97) so maybe that photo was part of the same group of photos taken at the same time. Therefore, best guess: early October, 1941.

Sara completed the refit that added the large Oerlikon platform on the funnel and the widening of her flight deck at the bow on 28 April 1941 at Bremerton, Washington. Sometime in late October or early November, she entered Puget Sound Navy Yard where her AA defenses were improved. It is not clear exactly what changed during that refit. That work was complete by 2 December 1941 and she sortied to San Diego to pick up her air group. She arrived at San Diego on 7 December 1941. She sortied for Pearl Harbor the next day.

In January, 1942, Sara was struck by a submarine-launched torpedo. Initial repairs were conducted at Pearl Harbor where her 8" turrets were removed and used as part of coastal defenses there where they served in that role until 1948. She received four 5"/38 Mk.32 mounts in their place. She then went on to Puget Sound for permanent repairs and extensive modifications which lasted from February to May 1942. It was at Puget Sound her funnel was cut down to a lower height, her island significantly modified, she gained Mk.37 directors, her hull was blistered, and her flight deck extended aft, among other mods. Sistership Lexington did not survive long enough to receive similar mods, unfortunately.

Below is a well-know photo of sistership Lexington. Note that the large Oerlikon platform on Lexington's funnel is positioned much higher on the funnel than the platform on Saratoga's funnel. This means that to build an accurate Saratoga 1941 model, a Lexington 1941 model kit's funnel is not a good match.

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