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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:11 am 
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stripe at least 11 November 1929. This is one of the earliest known photos of Saratoga with her distinctive funnel stripe. http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/020210.jpg
http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/03.htm


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 5:29 pm 
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Don Grasmick wrote:
Greeting my friends, I have a tech question on the pre-war 1936 Saratoga. I have the Warship pictorial #11 (Lex class) but its not being specific enough in answering two questions for me. I was humbly hoping you all could help.

1. What year was the vertical black stripe painted on Sara? I'm doing her in 36' guise and cannot seem to find the answer.



Hey Don,
Sara received her funnel Stripe between April 20-May 3, 1929, after the carrier's return from Fleet Problem IX, when she was taken over command by Capt. Horne while at Long Beach, CA. By your time frame of '36 the vertical was her 'sight-sake' i.d., and she had lost her forward and aft turret top Stripes by mid-'36. Also, if You're thinking about that time frame, She was carrying her first 'E' painted on the funnel Stripe by late '36 that the carrier received in July. And she was carrying the two single pedestals .50-calibers MGs on the Number 2 turret platform by '36, but still retained the single pedestal twin-.50s on the No.3 aft turret.
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I have recently, over the past year and then just now with the Petrel scouring the Lex wreckage, come into formerly unknown information about my dad. He died in the conflict when I was only a few months old so I never got to see or know him. Mom told me he had been on the Lexington and then shot down and killed and nothing else. I thought he had been shot down in the Battle of the Coral Sea but such is not the case. He survived the Lex sinking, was picked up by the Dobbin, a support ship, ans was later transferred to the Sara which is what brings me here. I got a lot of info from someone who had commented on the TBDs from the Lex and thought my dad could have flown in one of them, he was a gunner, and sure enough he did, actually two of them so that was cool. I learned of his journey on the Sara and how he was shot down, captured, and shot trying to escape. So while building my Lex I was researching the planes he flew in and the ship he finished the war in which brings me here. I picked up a Squadron at Sea copy of the Sara at a reduced price on Amazon, and was thinking of getting the Fry book, Saratoga cvIII an illustrated history. The price was a little more than I wanted to spend so checked with the local library. They didn't have a copy but did get one on an inter-library loan so I got to see and read it. I was disappointed. I had seen all the photos in it but it was the writing that threw me off. It seemed logically organized, each chapter dealing with the captains in order of their service. But when reading each chapter he seemed to be all over the place instead of the sequence with that particular captain.

I know others here will have that book and wondered if anyone else had experienced it as I did or is it just me?

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It's an important book but not a perfect one. It felt to me like Fry was taking many sources and melding them together, but not always in good, flowing ways. But I know of no other book that covers her historical narrative quite as well.

I'm glad to hear you've learned more about your Dad, as painful as it might be.

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Interesting Photo that I have never seen of the Saratoga, Dated 9/19/44 from the Smithsonian Archives

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Gents,

I was wondering...if one wanted to do a 1/700 Saratoga at the time of the Battle of the Eastern Solomons in August 1942,assuming they already have the Model Monkey Saratoga 1942 bridge and 1942 funnel,would one be better off using:

1.) The MENG 1/700 Lexington late 1941/early 1942 kit?
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2.) The Tamiya 1/700 Saratoga 1944 kit?
3.) The Trumpeter Lexington May 1942 kit?

All kits above have their pluses and minuses, but I removed the old Fujimi kit Saratoga kit from the running because of the flawed/inaccurate bow form as mentioned in one of this site's older reviews.

I assume the MENG and Trumpeter Lexington kits might be closer since each has less of an AA suite than the 1944 Saratoga.

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With the choices available, only the Tamiya '44 kit is viable without a major redo of the deck. (Even then, you will need a minor redo of the deck.) Lexington's widened forward deck was significantly differently shaped compared to Sara's. And the after end of Sara's deck was lengthened (and the round down changed) in '41, a mod Lex never got.

BTW, the old Fujimi kit - the whole hull form is wrong, not just the bow. Deck proportions are also off on that kit.


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Thanks for the reply and feedback, Dick J. Perhaps I might as well just consider building the Saratoga in 1944 instead of the 1942 possibility.

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You would also have to add the two hull bulges to either Lexington kit. These are already on the Tamiya Sara hull.


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Frank Fowler wrote:
You would also have to add the two hull bulges to either Lexington kit. These are already on the Tamiya Sara hull.


There was an article in Fine Scale Modeler magazine that covers a straight forward conversion of the older Fujimi 700 scale kit to the late war Saratoga with painting and details of the port of the starboard blister mods. The only non kit components appear to be the sheet styrene for constructing both blisters. If anyone is interested I will dig it out of my files and scan or snail mail a copy. Send me a PM


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