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 Post subject: Re: Is this the Arizona?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 5:46 pm 
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In your first photo, this style of triple turret was was only aboard the BB 36 and BB 38 classes. In NavSource photos of those four ships, only Arizona also has these portable white covers for the gun ports. I don't know whether the others photos are definitive.

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 Post subject: Re: At 'Em Arizona Fans!
PostPosted: Fri Dec 24, 2021 9:01 am 
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If all of those photos were taken aboard the same ship which appears to be the case then, yes, that is indeed USS Arizona before her final refit.


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 Post subject: Re: At 'Em Arizona Fans!
PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2022 9:09 pm 
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Anyone watch the Arizona explosion film and see what else is going on around that fateful moment? This is a screenshot from youtube about a second before. You can see how bad the list on the West Virginia was.


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 Post subject: Re: At 'Em Arizona Fans!
PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2022 9:13 pm 
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Another screenshot at about 8-10 seconds after the explosion you can see the masts of the Tennessee and West Virginia.


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 Post subject: Re: At 'Em Arizona Fans!
PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2022 9:17 pm 
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Just after the hand pointing to the sky disappears.
At the extreme left edge of the frame, you can see the listing Oklahoma. The superstructure and forecast of the Tennessee about to be blocked from view by Arizona's fireball.


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 Post subject: Re: At 'Em Arizona Fans!
PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2022 8:31 pm 
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It has always bugged me that this film is backwards. In this still, you can actually see both of USS Oklahoma's masts. Even this version is cropped a bit. I can't find it right now but I recently saw a version of this film that captured USS Maryland's mainmast as well. I'll try to dig that one up.
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Here are some still's of the film that the History Channel colorized. It's pretty well done.
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 Post subject: Re: At 'Em Arizona Fans!
PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 3:12 pm 
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Here are screenshots from the short colorized movie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZUpXZ7aDaY covering moments after explosion. Check green and red lines. Green ones show the original position and the red ones show how foremast jumped several meters up and listed some 10 degrees backward. That had to be a tremendous energy.
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 Post subject: Re: At 'Em Arizona Fans!
PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 6:42 pm 
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Here is a crappy version crop showing both masts of Oklahoma in the lower middle of this shot. Maryland's mainmast is visible on the far right.
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 Post subject: Re: At 'Em Arizona Fans!
PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2022 8:45 pm 
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It wasn't just the formats that "jumped", it looks like the forward superstructure before it collapsed into the main and lower decks.


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 Post subject: Re: At 'Em Arizona Fans!
PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2022 9:04 am 
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Slow down the motion picture of the blast and the lifting action and force become easier to discern. The superstructure and turrets were literally thrown upward a considerable distance, then fall into the void in the hull created by the blast. See the following video starting at about 1:40. The slow motion part starts at about 1:50.

Link for full screen view: https://youtu.be/EqYO9nT4MtU



Look closely at the video in slow motion and you can see that the whole forward superstructure and both forward turrets are violently thrown up a considerable distance, no doubt instantly crushing many standing on those decks and platforms. How some crewmembers in the Mk.19 fire control directors survived the sudden and violent lifting action is a mystery. You can also just make out the funnel collapsing to the right.

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Does anyone have a copy of the Charles Landrum’s USS Arizona articles that used to be on the Roll Models site? I tried to contact Mr Landrum directly through this site ( he seems to be active not too long ago), but have had no response so far.

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 Post subject: Re: At 'Em Arizona Fans!
PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2022 11:55 am 
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Hey guys! Researching for my 1/200 Arizona build. Because of the 5D color questions, I am looking at a possible mid 1941 time frame hoping to do a 5D scheme, with 5D gray. Want to do the overall gray Kingfishers, pre Blue-Gray period ( If possible). I want to be as historically correct as I can. I am thinking I will need to do range clocks if I fall in that time frame, with no radar platform. Is this at all historically possible or just wishing upon a star? Thanks, Andy


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 Post subject: Re: At 'Em Arizona Fans!
PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 7:41 pm 
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Hi Andy,
I think a safe bet for all the details on your list was her appearance in June, July, and August of 1941. She was painted in MS-1 at the end of May '41. I don't have any photos of her planes during these three months but I do of other Battleships during this same time frame and their planes were overall light gray. There is film footage and photos of her planes on Sept. 5-9, 1941. By this time the planes were in the two tone Blue/Gray appearance.
She kept her range clocks into at least mid August. The clocks were removed before her radar platform was installed. I don't have exact dates yet but these 2 alterations on her appearance did not happen at the same time.


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 Post subject: Re: At 'Em Arizona Fans!
PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 9:30 pm 
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Hi Jeff, I appreciate your reply. That scenario is exactly what I was hoping for. I also enjoyed your Arizona build, that is a beautiful tribute to her and her crew. Thanks, Andy


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