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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2021 4:08 am 
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Hi All,

Hi Joseph, well credit where it is due, it is a great piece of art, Frank, José and PaulC are extremely knowledgeable in Hood and Denmark Strait matters, so to get their blessing means a lot.

Well done again

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José M. Rico wrote:
Wow! Absolutely outstanding work, Joseph!
The final result is much better than I expected.
The attention you put to detail... without any doubt one of the best paintings I have seen of the battle.

José


Dear José,

Thank you so much my friend. I am honestly charmed for your very kind words - and there are already many excellent paintings of the Denmark Strait from the British side, mostly by artists who have earned their reputations to be far better known than I may ever be, so your compliment is not one that I take lightly!

Having messaged with you privately about this piece before I could release it I am glad that you have been able to see it.. As for anticipation etc; I think when compared with the DKM PRINZ EUGEN and DKM BISMARCK piece that you had already seen - this new work is honestly the result of an additional 10 years worth of practice. As such it may appear to be an evolved step up. That being said - I will always be happy with whatever best effort I could make at the time - but will admit that maritime artwork is a very steep learning curve to stand on. Interestingly this is also the first time I have returned to the fighting steel genre since that painting of DKM PRINZ EUGEN - having been working mostly on merchant sail and also fighting sail in more recent years. This all being said the steelship genre is very close to my heart and I am really hoping to get a few more done as my next works. I have always wanted to help tell the stories of these men so others would know and appreciate what they have done for us; regardless of what side of history they stood on - gallantry is gallantry. This being said, it would be nice to approach a more cheerful motif of HMS HOOD next time - because honestly, this last piece made me very sad to actually paint it and have it infront of me for so long.

I will look forward to sharing more of these with you and meanwhile of course I would be honoured if you wanted to use the image in any way that was helpful to your own endeavors. You have my full permission of course.

Lastly my apologies for a slow reply - it has been a busy week..

Thanks again,

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Cag wrote:
Hi All,

Hi Joseph, well credit where it is due, it is a great piece of art, Frank, José and PaulC are extremely knowledgeable in Hood and Denmark Strait matters, so to get their blessing means a lot.

Well done again

Best wishes
Cag.


Hi Cag,

You are right - and I think I had already conceded further up in this thread that I was humbled at the extent of knowledge on these message boards. That being said I hope I never conveyed anything that may have been misinterpreted as thinking I knew more.. and of course I will humbly admit that there will be inaccuracies in this painting which may yet transpire. The pursuit of accurate portrayal of battle scenes is an information minefield. Entire volumes of information are transposed - and then different volumes are seldom in agreement anyway. Thankfully we can offer 'license' for some degree of leeway - although I am really trying not to hide behind that!

Thank you again for all your kind words and also your generous replies to the queries I had further up that was hugely appreciated.

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Absolutely mesmerizing work Joseph - so emotive and it's all enhanced by the detail you put into depicting Hood.

We are frozen in a moment, yet feel the action and the dread anticipation of what's about to happen.

I agree with Jose'. One of, if not the best I've seen! :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:


Hi Paul,

Sorry for my slow replies.. I owe you a message reply and will get to that.. but I am grateful for your very kind words. The composition probably was the result of an inward compromise and conflict of interests - between wanting to accurately depict the violence of events for what they were - and pining to show the lines of this beautiful ship which I love so dearly. For example I was thankful to offer the explanation of the likely damage from a 38cm shell hit to HOOD's spotting top just not being visible from this angle - I couldn't bring myself to mar that tophammer which is such a prominent feature of the ship. It was even difficult to reconcile obscuring most of her quarter deck with the big plume of water to the right - but I felt that it was necessary (n/b: placing the ship in motion between two stationery objects is also a classical device in painting to illustrate speed and motion - so does have a purpose here). But the dread of anticipation as you put it, was exactly what I was hoping to illustrate, thereby I am very grateful for your reply!

Thank you again - and will be in touch shortly.

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pascalemod wrote:

Love it! Indeed great attention to detail discussed here, hull and all.

And I really like the moment you picked - I am sure it is tempting to display something more dramatic but you picked the seconds before disaster, the gloomy weather and the glow coming off from the fire on the boat deck. Much stronger impact if you look at it longer.



Hi Pascalemod,

I am delighted for your reply. I honestly think John Hamilton's piece was more dramatic - but this is a painting of HOOD afterall - and I wanted to have her in one piece. I also can't claim to have the only motif of the last few seconds - Paul Wright RSMA already gave something similar to the world a number or years ago with his wonderful piece. The first time I ever saw that, at the Portsmouth Historic Dockyard, that dreadful foreshadowing red glow really made my stomach turn. But the long reflection of the fire, vertically down the foreground, is meant to lead the eye upward to the 'cross' in my work. If all that has made the right impact for you then I am very glad - and also thankful for your comment :)

Thank you again.

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It is wonderful to return to this thread and see the developments. Leading up to the 24th I reminded myself of the significance of the date, and have been surprised and amazed by the developments here. Joseph, your painting literally took my breath away! I was immediately drawn to the cross and innately understood the meaning.

Some years ago I encountered an older fellow with a maritime painting of Prince of Wales, and got talking. It is extremely unlikely to see anyone carrying a painting here in Australia; less so a maritime one; even less so of a ship I knew. I ended up lending him a model I had made of Hood and he gifted me a beautiful painting of Hood in the Grand Harbour at Malta. The colours jumped out from the painting and she was alive! What a wonderful fellow.

Thank you all for the continuing development and discussion of the colours and materials present on Hood. The discussion on the semtex and linoleum is of great value to the progression of my model. I have painted the lower hull grey, and am really happy with the contrast in the greys. From a distance it does not detract from the model at all, but rather makes her look more futuristic, like a space ship model! All the builders models over the last century showing us their grey undersides... hiding in plain sight.

The videos done by the Orkney International Festival have been wonderful too - had the time to see two of them now. Ian's talk on the building of Hood and his taking us through the John Brown photographs was incredible. So much of the work was really tailored, in metal. I showed my young carpenter the loftsmen's (sp?) using of a wood frame to mark out the flowing shape of a section of sheet metal aft, later to be taken back and made into a custom fit metal sheet, and that did really stand out as some bespoke work. A talk of old family history back into Glasgow, what he knew of it's pub scene, and what a 'Glasgow Kiss' was followed, with quite a bit of laughter!

All I can say is "thank you" to all of you for the input, accumulation of knowledge, and willingness to discuss.


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Hi Jack,

Thank you so much for your very kind words about my painting.. sorry that I am slow to say it. By the way I completely agree with your sentiments about dark grey antifoul on HOOD. I also repainted the red hull on my own model and I have also come to like the effect more. Actually, the more I look at it, the more sense it seems to make in this colour.. it just feels right to me.

There are quite a few well known maritime artists I can think of based in Australia. Ian Hansen's name is one immediately coming to mind.

Take care.. and I am sure there will be much more interesting conversation to come on this thread.

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Joseph


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Maritime Foundation:

A film marking the 80th anniversary year of the loss of HMS Hood in the Battle of the Denmark Strait, linking the sailors of today’s Royal Navy with their forebears of 1941.

Produced by Maritime Films UK for The HMS Hood Association.

HMS Hood: Mighty Then, Mighty Now

https://youtu.be/Gj61TS8zY-8

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I have the Flyhawk Hood model with both Grey and Red lower hull, so the research finally made it through into the modeling world.

Sadly my kit arrived all broken up so I cannot really build it till new one comes god knows when, from the intergalactic backorder black hole. Still, looks like a good kit at first glance with some omissions such as hull plating is missing on lower hull but present on upper hull, and the depth gauge markings decals are not available sadly.

I can't provide more detail as I wont probably build it for a while but nonetheless looks like we have a more accurate Hood on market at last in 1/700 scale. Can't wait to see it built by someone.

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HI
I've just got my new Flyhawk 1/700 kit and I have to say it looks very good. I`m not a 1/700 expert by any means but the moulding looks first class to me and it does seem to pick up the vast majority of the latest info.Yes including the colour of her bottom and the recently discovered extent of the corticene on the main deck, the single /double degaussing cable ,accurate HACS, and a very fine representation of the main boat deck supporting beams and pillars which I doubt if you will be able to see at all!
I also bought the "upgrade " kit with PE, brass and some resin bits which looks very good too, but is a bit daunting to me.Having built the 1350 scale Trumpy version with the Big Blue Boy PE set , the bits all seem VERY small and fragile. The instructions for the PE seem a bit vague and tricky in places but I guess they`ll work out. I also got the wooden printed deck but I`m not sure if I`ll use it yet.Its not a patch on Scale-decks 1350 deck but then it wouldn't be would it.I may well try to paint the wood decks instead.
And oh yes, I got mine from Hobby Easy and it came within a week of the payment being cleared , very well boxed with no damage as far as i can tell.
Must wait til the long winter evenings to see how she goes together.
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I see that folks are starting to receive their 1/700 Flyhawk 1941 Hood models! That is excellent news! You’ve even beaten me…mine are still on their way across the Pacific now (they must be on the old “slow boat from China,” LOL).

Anyway, I’m sure many of you have already seen it, but one of the first in-box video reviews of the kit has been posted to Youtube. You can view it at https://youtu.be/_0DIWADBGh8

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HI Frank
I have just viewed the review and yes it is that good in my opinion. I suppose some of the details are a tad over-scale in 1700 , such as the splinter shield supports ( great to even see them at this scale, they weren't on Trumpys 1350 version!) and the funnel bands, but this may be approaching the limit of plastic moulding for this scale? Of course the PE will give a much better result in scale especially for the mast platforms and quad pom-pom mounts. I still think its a great effort tho`. Mainly due to your good-selves at the Hood Association.
No doubt you will let us know what you think via this forum and the Association website.
Finally ( for now) I see that the Association gets full credit in the instruction manual, along with them including a letter from the HMSHA endorsing the kit.
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Hi all,

There is a small but glaring omission in the Flyhawk Hood and can't help but wonder how this was missed!

The remnants of the flying off platform on the port edge of X-turret are not included. So....that will need to be rectified.

See pic below comparing the AOTS line drawing to the kit instructions.

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PaulC wrote:
Hi all,

There is a small but glaring omission in the Flyhawk Hood and can't help but wonder how this was missed!

The remnants of the flying off platform on the port edge of X-turret are not included. So....that will need to be rectified.


Yikes!

Which version of the kit did you obtain (standard or deluxe)? Any chance they included the platforms in the deluxe PE but forgot to put a call out in the instructions? I am unable to check on this end because, strangely enough, I (who should've been among the first to receive the kit) am still waiting on the proverbial slow boat from China, LOL. I run outside every day to see if something has arrived, but so far not a sausage! I'm starting to get worried...

For our part, I can confirm that we definitely sent FH some detailed photos of the "X" turret frames (in fact, I specifically recall going back later on and sending photos showing how the corner/edge and corner supports had changed). I have a vague recollection of possibly recommending these be considered for photoetch as well. Luckily these should be pretty easy for folks to recreate, but it would still have been better for the kit to have come with them to begin with.

Additionally, we also sent various images of the tiny bridge attached to the rear of "X" turret's rangefinder. I don't see that in the image you attached. Did they include that structure?

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Follow-up to my previous post (immediately above): Fortunately someone placed photos of the deluxe kit online. I see that the X turret frames and foot bridge are on photoetch fret B.

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Hi Frank
yes I was just going to mention the X turret platforms. It does seem strange to put them in the PE but leave them out of the basic kit.

Just another few thoughts.
The "narrow platform " on the starboard side of the spotting top doesn't seem to be there either in plastic on PE...ah well can`t get everything right!
They do seem however to have put in a semblance of deck camber on the fore and aft wooden decks ,you can just make it out if you sight along them. That must be quite difficult in 1:700. Don`t think the 1:350 Trumpy kit had that.
Also I see they've picked up the different sizes of the large square openings on the quarter deck rear screens , left and right.Good job there.

Hope you get your kit soon Frank. Mine is still in the box although I do look at it now and then and wonder how the hell I`m going to make it all work!
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slowhand wrote:
Hi Frank
yes I was just going to mention the X turret platforms. It does seem strange to put them in the PE but leave them out of the basic kit.

Just another few thoughts.
The "narrow platform " on the starboard side of the spotting top doesn't seem to be there either in plastic on PE...ah well can`t get everything right!
They do seem however to have put in a semblance of deck camber on the fore and aft wooden decks ,you can just make it out if you sight along them. That must be quite difficult in 1:700. Don`t think the 1:350 Trumpy kit had that.
Also I see they've picked up the different sizes of the large square openings on the quarter deck rear screens , left and right.Good job there.

Hope you get your kit soon Frank. Mine is still in the box although I do look at it now and then and wonder how the hell I`m going to make it all work!
Cheers
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Spotting Top Platform-
Thanks for pointing that out. I’m not sure why FH didn’t include it in the model as I thought I saw it in the drawings. Its another thing I’d have expected to be in the photoetch.

To be honest though, that platform has always struck me as odd and to this day, I’m still not so sure about it. I first noticed it @18-19 years ago whilst comparing footage from the 2001 wreck expedition with pre-sinking photos of the ship. I remember asking John Roberts about it: I told him that the platform struck me as something temporary, but he seemed to think it might of been more permanent in nature (based on the fact that if appeared to have proper railing rather than ropes, it had a fairly beefy underside support and they had made an access point through the roof overhang. Perhaps the platform was necessitated by the recent addition of the gunnery radar.). It’s something I’ve always looked out for whenever “new” 1941 photos are found. To date, I’ve seen it in one or two other photos, but these are from the same exact time period/docking. Unfortunately, I can’t seem to find any starboard side photos of the ship at sea/on patrol/not in drydock after this period (i.e., in April or May 1941). There are obviously a few photos that we’ve all seen, but she’s always annoyingly pictured from her PORT side! This, along with photos of her final aerial spreader, is one of my “holy grail” items.

Rear Battery Openings-
I’m not sure what to call these openings actually…so I refer to their original intended usage, LOL. FH’s initial drawings were already correct when I saw them (this was something we definitely looked for). We only had to suggest a few minor details, but some (portholes and support beams I believe) were not possible to incorporate into the moulding. FH were possibly going to address those with photo etch (not sure if they did or not) or otherwise leave up to modellers to incorporate or not.

Deliberate Detail Omission-
I should mention that there is one notable feature that is almost certainly missing from the kit. I’m referring to oil fender storage on the boat deck. This is something that most modellers would probably overlook, but I’m sure folks here will notice. This “heap” (for lack of a better word) was located on the starboard side, just behind the row of large boats and roughly in line with the angular engine room vent and the starboard UP.

There aren’t many detailed photos of this heap; they’re mostly long distance glimpses taken at oblique angles. I’ve seen maybe two or three close-up deck level photos, but these were from different points in her career and the appearance varied somewhat (perhaps they changed fender styles later in her career or took care to arrange it differently). The 1941 photos are only partial views and you can’t see great detail. Because of this, FH were hesitant about incorporating it. So, it will be left to the modeller to decide if they want to scratch build it (which shouldn’t be too difficult with scrap plastic, wire and a bit of artistic license). Here’s my attempt at a ver6 rough description: The overall appearance was rectangular and about 4-6 ft tall. It seems to have been composed of some folded fenders stacked atop each other with other items (perhaps wood and tarps) lashed around/over it. There wer obviousk6 also ropes around and coiled on top. I’ll see if I can get permission from the photo donors (because they are from restricted collections) to post a few photos that we do have…I will post them in the review/suggested improvements article we ultimately write for the Hood website (which is on hold until I get my kits).

Bridge Detail Update-
We came across some “new” Air Defense Platform photos after FH released the kit. Many of you have probably have already seen them as they were posted on the Association’s Facebook page a while back. If you haven’t, basically they show some officers standing either in or just in front of the upper/rear A.D. platform. For the very few folks who do not know what this structure was was, it was the little open platform at the top of the bridge between the tripod legs (as high as you can go without actually going up the tripod foremast). The shots are likely from 1940 as the upper AD platform has already been extended (they appear to have brought it a bit further forward) but they haven’t removed the small rangefinder just yet. The photos are interesting, but unfortunately do not answer some of our key questions (such as how did the men get up there…it’s deck was about 4 ft higher than the main forward AD platform above the Compass Platform). One thing it DOES show, however, is a section of deck between the two platforms. It appears to be horizontally slatted. As for composition and colour, I have no idea… I also don’t know if this was used IN the AD platforms (I wouldn’t be terribly surprised if the slats were also used therein…I do expect that there were grates in some areas). I suppose we can look at what was done on other, contemporary ships… Ideas anyone?

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Which version of the kit did you obtain (standard or deluxe)?


It's the standard - I guess you figured that out. I checked the small PE fret that comes with the kit, but there's nothing there that looks compatible. Still Flyhawk is more than capable of doing those parts in plastic! It is not mentioned in the instructions - neither is there anything with regards to the "tiny bridge" on the back of X-turret. :(

The only thing I see to be fitted on the back of X-turret is a PE ladder.

But....I guess I'll try to put something together.

Can you post a picture or diagram of the X-turret "bridge"?

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PaulC wrote:
Can you post a picture or diagram of the X-turret "bridge"?


I know this isn’t much, but hopefully it will help (these are from our review of the Trumpeter 1/200 kit):

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Great! Thanks Frank!

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