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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2022 8:16 pm 
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I know I have a more detailed plan somewhere but have not been able to locate it.

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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2022 1:10 pm 
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There is a photo in one of the Iowa books, or maybe a Battleship book showing them lowering a shell through the open hatch. I can see it in my mind but don't remember which book.


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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2022 5:08 pm 
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There is a picture in Navsource showing them lowering a shell.

http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/016241.jpg

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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2022 11:21 pm 
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I don't think that's on an Iowa as they all have flush hatches fro the 16" shells, though that's a good illustration of the procedure. I do have a very clear photo of the hatch on the first deck...

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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2022 3:24 am 
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Tom, the hatch is indeed flush with the deck. What is seen in the photo is the 9" watertight coaming that surrounds the hatch and cable outlet. This is to stop water from entering.

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Interesting, the hatches currently as seen on Missouri at Pearl Harbor have no coaming, was this something that was fitted into the open hatch? As a young man I chipped a little paint on Missouri when she was in the Reserve Fleet and I don't remember any coamings, but memory that old can be quite unreliable. The hatches for turrets one and three reside under the overhangs of the back of the turret when positioned fore and aft.

Good luck in finding definitive data.

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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2022 4:04 am 
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Looking at the plan showing the hatch detail, the 9" coaming surrounds the 'F.W.T hatch 30" diameter' and the cable slot. With this in mind, the photo of loading the shell on USS New Jersey makes sense. The coaming would be welded to the deck with the wooden deck surrounding the outside of the coaming. The depth of the coaming is deeper inside where it attaches to the steel deck, with the thickness of the wood (4" ?) surrounding the coaming leaving less of the coaming exposed.
Hope this makes sense.

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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2022 11:44 am 
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OK, a Crappy photo, which I had to lighten a lot in Photoshop to bring out the hatch which was in shadow. All the hatches are of this configuration, flush with the deck. I would opine that the WT coaming is 8" wide, not tall. A tall coaming would merely keep water trapped rather than out.

This is the stbd hatch for Turret two, USS Missouri, as currently configured at Pearl harbor. The earlier Navsource photo was definitely not taken aboard an Iowa as by way of the main battery the lifelines consist of heavy tapered I beams which are hinged at the bottom so as to fold down during main battery action.

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Tom, I think the "Lifeline Stanchion" is in fact the pull rod for the trolly used for moving the heavy shells around the deck. At first glance it does look like one of the stanchions but it is clear and in focus where the life lines are blurred and in the background. The sailors are in front of the stanchion, however to the right of the photo a stanchion is just visible next to one of the sailors. Three small black spots, are visible on this stanchion which I think are the shadows of the curled retainers the lifelines are threaded through.
On Pinterest I discovered some photos of restoration work on Iowa. One photo showed the rusty before and after painting of the same loading hatch as your photo from Missouri. It has a coaming around it.


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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2022 12:32 am 
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In the series of photos of New Jersey from the Navsource site there is a photo of some sailors under the rear turret.
"Enlisted men relax aboard New Jersey (BB-62) on December 1944"

On the right of the photo a sailor is sitting on the coaming for the loading hatch. The Floating Drydock Plan Book shows the hatch in this position on the Port side of the rear turret. The coaming has the same half round reinforcing ring welded to the top of it as is seen in the photo of the sailors loading a shell.

After WW2 the coaming may have been removed.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2022 11:30 pm 
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I am well along on volume two of the Iowa-class. This one will be about armor.

The objective to be detailed enough that a read could build computer simulations.

I've done about 500 drawings like this one:
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There will be computer renderings of things that are not visible and photographs of things that are.

The book will be as long as it needs to be to cover everything.

Just for the sake of completeness, I ask what you folks would like to know about the armer?


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:21 pm 
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Did I miss a memo... (or have I simply forgotten?) but where do we find Volume 1, and what's it called?

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2022 1:04 pm 
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And as a completely different question, but does anyone here have the detail plan/sheet for the turret(s)?

Many years ago, I had held and looked at one (very large sheet) because of the IOWA explosion and the investigation therein. I sure would be interested in getting a copy of such, for any/either of the Iowa Class ships. And no, it is not included in my BOGP's.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2022 1:47 pm 
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There is a dimensioned X section in the Turret and Mount catalogue at HNSA. I know I have seen plan drawings as well somewhere. Good luck! Tom


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No, that/those are not what I'd seen. It was a 'very large' sheet of paper that had the turret on there, with a number of sectional drawings of each floor and such (to the best of my memory) as well as dimensional drawings of the 16" projectiles.

It was a large 'blueprint' type sheet of paper that was rolled up when we were finished. (if only I could print my memories.....)


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2022 6:45 am 
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1. Vol. 1 is: https://www.amazon.com/Visual-Battleshi ... 098998043X

2. I just got a coaming plan. The original coaming for the ammo hatches was either 5" or 5 1/2", depending upon the hatch.

3. Detailed plans of the turrets take up a lot of sheets. There are plans of the armor, the backing bulkheads, ordnance, gun girders, bulkheads, etc.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 9:00 am 
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Jim,

Thanks for the clarification on Volume 1. I highly recommend this book. Having spent three years volunteering on USS Iowa I found this book of extreme interest. Not only documenting spaces that I had accessed on the ship but also showing spaces I had not seen. Fabulous reference.

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