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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 1:05 am 
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Sean Hert wrote:
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Roma striped pattern produced by viewing photo June 1942 - summer 1943


While I think you are correct in the count on your stripes, I think the angle is incorrect. I was looking closely at the British aerial recon image of Roma, and while I am unsure on the appearance of extreme bow, I do think the angle of your stripes is too extreme. Of course, we're all going by the mk 1 eyeball.



Ciao Sean,

The stripes were drawn at an angle of 45 °, but in many cases these guidelines were not followed
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 9:02 pm 
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Ciao Sean,

The stripes were drawn at an angle of 45 °, but in many cases these guidelines were not followed
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Ciao!

Do you have an original source for this info? I've been very curious for a long time.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 11:55 am 
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Sean Hert wrote:
Do you have an original source for this info? I've been very curious for a long time.


I've read the same on "La mimetizzazione delle navi italiane 1940 - 1945" by Bagnasco and Brescia, page 37

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Hello guys,

Has anyone of you ever come across the figures on how much it cost to build the battleships of the LITTORIO class battleships ? More specifically the ROMA ? I am looking for a cost in Lira at the time of their completion ?

This is a little tid-bit of information I like to include in my books.

I did find out that the Lira exchange with the US Dollar was;
1939 - 1 US Dollar = 19.8 Lira
1943 - 1 US Dollar = 120 Lira

Warship Pictorial 37 - RM ROMA will be published in late September.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 1:55 am 
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To get the angle of the stripes, take a aerial photo of any of the Italian Naval vessels and draw a centerline up the foredeck. Then distort the photo so that the centerline is vertical, or horizontal. Simply measure the angle at that point ? You might want to distort, one horizontal and one vertical and see if they match the angle calculation ?

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 4:18 am 
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CLASSIC WARSHIPS wrote:
Hello guys,

Has anyone of you ever come across the figures on how much it cost to build the battleships of the LITTORIO class battleships ? More specifically the ROMA ? I am looking for a cost in Lira at the time of their completion ?

This is a little tid-bit of information I like to include in my books.

I did find out that the Lira exchange with the US Dollar was;
1939 - 1 US Dollar = 19.8 Lira
1943 - 1 US Dollar = 120 Lira

Warship Pictorial 37 - RM ROMA will be published in late September.

Thank you for your help,
Steve Wiper
http://www.classicwarships.com



Hello Steve,

the contract between the Ministry of the Navy and the shipyard for the construction of San Marco fo battleships Rome : is Lire 270.000.000 .
A.M. : 69.880.000 Lire
Scafo : 200.120.00 Lire

Is excluded from this contract on the part of the armor for which the Regia Marina will provide a separate contract

The Ministry of the Navy bestowed on February 20, 1943 a payment of 10 million in favor of the CRDA as a prize for speed and minimum consumption.

date taken of book:Storia del Cantiere San Marco di Trieste

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 5:28 am 
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The final costs of construction Littorio were :569.033.000 Lire
The final costs of construction Vittorio Veneto were :575.833.000 Lire

Data taken from the book The Littorio Class Italy's Last and Largest Battleships 1937-1948


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Giampiero wrote:
The final costs of construction Littorio were :569.033.000 Lire
The final costs of construction Vittorio Veneto were :575.833.000 Lire

Data taken from the book The Littorio Class Italy's Last and Largest Battleships 1937-1948



That would be 569,033,000.00 Liras for Littorio and 575,833,000.00 for Vittorio Veneto.
I wonder how much the CGH Vittorio Veneto cost to build about 30 years later.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 7:14 pm 
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Hey, all...

I thought I would pop onto this thread and direct you to my manufacturer's announcement of the four new decks that we now have available for the 1/350 Roma by Trumpeter.

Enjoy!

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 3:11 pm 
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Scaledecs offering printed paper deck for 33 dollars . Why not to post it as a jpg file so anyone could print it?


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 4:46 pm 
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mermaid wrote:
Scaledecs offering of a paper deck. Why not to post it as a jpg file so anyone could print it?

Except when you consider that it took hours to engineer, days to test fit and refine the cut, time to preprint the stock, time to mount the printed stock and align it with the laser cutter, time to cut the sheet, maintenance on the laser cutter that racks up for every hour of use, not to mention the investment expense of the computers, software, and the investment in the plastic kit itself that we have to measure to work from. Having an operation where we give away all of our labor "for free" is not a sound business plan by any standards.

Actually, the cost of the material is a fraction of the expense of making these decks - and the variance between the cost of a sheet of photographic paper and a sheet of teak, maple, or black gum is so insignificant that I charge the same for all four materials.

Trumpeter probably only spends a buck or two for the styrene, paper and cardboard to make every Roma kit. Why don't they sell that kit for five bucks instead of a hundred? Because the cost is not in the materials.

At scaledecks.com, we spend a ton of time trying to get the appearance of the planking right (we don't just burn it in with a laser) and we print incredibly fine details. Then we try to get extremely accurate laser cuts so that the piece just fits in perfectly. That effort has an associated expense.

If you want to just have a piece of paper and cut it out yourself with an X-Acto knife, and don't really care about the quality of the printing (and assuming that your printer can produce an image exactly 100% of the size that it is supposed to be - and trust me, they don't all do that!) then nothing is stopping you.

Did you see this?

viewtopic.php?f=16&t=84358

That's from a different manufacturer. It doesn't have individual plank tinting like we do, and the planks and framing are overscale, but it's a nice uncut picture. You could try to use that if you like.

There is a great cartoon from the old "B.C." comic strip by Johnny Hart. In it, the woman says to Peter, 'Three thousand clams for a fur coat? That's outrageous! Don't you have anything cheaper?"

Peter hands her a bow and arrow and says, "Well, we have 'the kit.'"

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johnd13 wrote:
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Scaledecs offering of a paper deck. Why not to post it as a jpg file so anyone could print it?

Except when you consider that it took hours to engineer...
It takes a craftsman to understand the labor involved. The time and effort you have put into these products is greatly appreciated. I and many others are more than happy to pay the prices you have listed.

Keep the decks coming, John, and we will keep buying them! Thanks again! :big_grin:

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Keep the decks coming, John, and we will keep buying them! Thanks again! :big_grin:


And a +1 from me too :thumbs_up_1:

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 12:52 am 
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Thanks for the pictures ! :thumbs_up_1:


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Nice deck.
However what's the difference between that and a nice paint job and a wash, other than a lot of now too shallow deck fittings?
The real issue with this model is the cobblestone (nown in Italy as Sampietrini) surface on the fo'castle deck, and no cottage manufacturer has yet taken action on that subject.

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Roberto wrote:
Nice deck.
However what's the difference between that and a nice paint job and a wash, other than a lot of now too shallow deck fittings?
The real issue with this model is the cobblestone (nown in Italy as Sampietrini) surface on the fo'castle deck, and no cottage manufacturer has yet taken action on that subject.





Well said Roberto! :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:





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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 3:25 am 
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Roberto wrote:
Nice deck.
However what's the difference between that and a nice paint job and a wash, other than a lot of now too shallow deck fittings?
The real issue with this model is the cobblestone (nown in Italy as Sampietrini) surface on the fo'castle deck, and no cottage manufacturer has yet taken action on that subject.


Ciao Roberto,
I'm seeing how to replace the portion of the bow, with a photoengraving process that I have already made ​​for the scale model 1 / 350 resin of Rome.

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Roberto wrote:
However what's the difference between that and a nice paint job and a wash, other


Hours of work! :heh:

Just kidding...

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Roberto wrote:
Nice deck.
However what's the difference between that and a nice paint job and a wash, other than a lot of now too shallow deck fittings?
The real issue with this model is the cobblestone (nown in Italy as Sampietrini) surface on the fo'castle deck, and no cottage manufacturer has yet taken action on that subject.


Nice paint job and wash only accentuate the grossly over scaled plank seams. The truth is the plank seams are almost invisible at 1/350 scale. But in an effort to make sure people see that their models are detailed, the manufacturer add details that shouldn't be visible. The only way to overcome this is to plank the deck yourself with scale accurate wooden strips. You can get wooden strips thin enough to reduce effect on deck fitting height to a minimum. In any case, you can plane off the important fittings and apply them atop the wood.

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