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While reserching for HMS Warspite I came across a nice view of Barham from the stern

Source British Pathe : http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=12692

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Hi Dino,

Have you seen the Brothers Cunningham film? Filmed aboard QE. Valiant in early camo is seen also.

See it here: www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=75289

I wonder when this meeting took place?

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... thanks for sharing, there are some nice views of QE with quad 50s on the turret roofs, this should give an idea for the time frame. Some nice picture of one of the boats too.

dino

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I have a CRUCIALLY important question: Who saluted whom, first....?

After all, empires have crumbled over far less trivial matters!

Ha Ha! You are so right! Clip is dated wrongly 1940.

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The HMS Queen Elizabeth from Trumpeter in 1/350 is up for reservation in Hobby Search Japan:
http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10167650

Hello, I had a look at all this post, and pictures, there was an open guess about the things under the two eight barreled pom poms on Barham
Thanks God my model is finished, and I will live with my mistakes, but I think that the two "platforms" were casemates, never reported on commercial drawings or kits.

Dino

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Lining up my Warspite to start next year, just doing a bit of research on her appearance at various points in time.

It seems the model portrayed (with Walrus aircraft) is fairly limited to the time she spent in the far east fleet, which was her quietest time of the war. Prior to that when she had the famous actions in the Med against the Italians, that was before her late 1941 refit in Puget, WA, and after her far East tour and coming back to the Med in 1943, she lost the provision of operating aircraft (some time in 1943). Each period will also effect the colour/camo schemes employed.

1. Has anyone considered how much re-work would be required to build her prior to the '41 refit? to suit her earlier Med tour.
2. Does anyone know exactly when she lost her Walrus, ie was it on return to the Med or some time after?

According with "British Battleships of WWII" it should be in May-June 1943 during the refit in preparation to her return to the Med. theatre.

dino

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Does anyone have any idea what this ledge area on the hull was painted in a 1938 photo of the Warspite.I`ve a sneaking feeling that it might be "Corticene",but there again I could be wrong,Any thoughts?

Thanks ,Phil

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Cortisone ?
I thought it was a mixture of dark gray...

Corticene was a brown coloured linoleum type floor covering usually used on the bridge decks.
Outside a paint like material called Semtex ( not the explosive made in Czechoslovakia )
was used as a non slip deck paint, it was a green colour.
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Thanks for the information.

Hello, those are test shots(remember... test shots), from the new HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Warspite from Trumpeter in 1/350.
In my opinion Trumpeter shall have released HMS Barham instead of a HMS Warspite(in the same time we have a 1/350 HMS Warspite from Academy)
Anyway, here is the pictures:
HMS Queen Elizabeth:



HMS Warspite:


And HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Warspite together:

Hi Phil, I have a picture of a wartime puzzle, for what it can worth, it shows something like corticene.

I tend to trust this drawing because it comes from a picture and there are some details too much accurate, as example you can enlarge it and you will notice the seams of corticene layers and it stops just before the breakwater.

Dino

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Well, the image shows the banding on B-turret, indicating it was taken during the Spanish Civil War, and the colours are wrong! This should be a red-white-blue pattern. So this begs the question: if someone thought that the area in question should be light-brown because he noticed that particular colour, how did he miss the bright colours on B-turret? So, this picture cannot be used for colour indications.



Pic of Pék's model.

..yes, you are right, for sure not the definive answer to Phil's question,but more than the color used, the fact that make me trust it is the presence of the seams, that can be seen also in the picture posted by Phil.

... but as I said far from scientific and definitive...

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well now...

I have no idea on the Corticene...!- always believed it to be grey

however..

To add to the conjecture...

Allegedly... certain types of black and white film of the period showed red tones to be very dark-
-leading to, allegedly --often misinterpretation of the turret colours on neutrality turret banding....

which lead me to allege that my stripes are the correct way round....

Please note the use of the word "allegedly" is very frequent-
-because at this moment I am unable to lay my hands in the definitive document/ article that would verify my alleged allegations!

Jim B

allegedly ...my Royal Oak banding IS the correct way round...

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Looks about right. Never looked at the documentation, but I guess the Germans have it on record too?

Re the order of the bands, the IWM has pre-war colour film of the Med Fleet at Malta which can been seen on their DVD "Royal Navy at War in Colour".

Views of Warspite, Barham, Nelson or Rodney plus numerous I class destroyers all with the bands red forwardmost, then white then blue aftmost.