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More footage of Arizona Aug. '41

Looks like she might have some rafts on the top of turret #2 in the second photo.

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That wreckage at Waipio Point is still there per this satellite image.

Here are some stills from outtake footage from the April 1, 1941 film aboard Arizona. This footage did not make the final cut in the film.
This first look is two stills spliced together to get an overall look at the crew preparing the main deck for holystoning. Besides hosing down the deck, crew members are spreading sand on the deck.
The structures seen here from left to right are the base of the large vent in front of the base of the projector booth. Behind the booth is the loudspeaker scaffolding structure that was a permanent fixture on the ship in 1941. This scaffold was in this exact position on the ship when she sank. Behind that you can see turret #4 with the ladder going up the side.


This next image shows the crew spreading the sand even more with mops. Her degaussing cables are visible along the deck edge.


Holystoning in process. Portions of this footage made it into the final film. I would like to try to identify the officer in this shot.


An interesting note about the ladder on the side of turret #4. It was not attached to the side of the turret. It extended away from the turret to be able to clear the barbette as seen in this view.


The final film also shows the launch of 1-O-2. The outtakes show the return of this aircraft.




Finally, the outtakes give us a look at details of the top of her torpedo bulge on her hull

Which film is this Jeff, and where can someone get a copy of it?

What is the purpose of these chains? Paravans? Tk.

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I am also curious about this topic -- I know from studying booklets of general plans that the chains running from the open chocks at the bow down to the paravane gear forefoot at the base of the stem are "paravane downhaul chains", but I have not yet seen any kind of diagram or procedure for "how" the paravanes were streamed. I'm hoping some of the more knowledgeable folks on this board can shed some light!

Hello David, it’s not my model, found this example on internet.

I know for the paravans cables . My question is about chains.

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Hi,
picture from https://archives.imeche.org/archive/institution-history/first-world-war/paravanes?ipage=3:


Info/quote from http://www.kbismarck.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8736
Most ships have two continuous loops of chain passing down from either side of the bow through a ring at the forefoot of the bow. A tow wire to the paravane is shackled to a loop at the bow and then the looped chain chain pulled through to take the towpoint down to the forefoot...
A chain or heavy wire takes a towpoint for the paravanes down the ship's bow to the forefoot and the vane flies through the water, with its tow-wire going back from the bow at maybe 30-35 deg to the centreline...

Rigging on the deck http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=12942&hilit=contour+gauge&start=1860#p736085


http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=12942&start=2320#p824323


My understanding is when paravans are on the deck, then rigging looks exactly like at these photos. However, when paravans are in the water in their "working positions", then long rigging line pulling the paravan chain will be on the right, while short rigging line will be on the left. Am I correct?

66misos

Yes, tks 66misos!

I think this chain system allows to replace the paravane cable when it is broken, the fitting under the bow is brought back on board thanks to the chain, the new cable can then be passed back in the loop which is on the chain, then it is enough to pull on the chain of the opposite edge to lower the loop under the bow. There is of course another system for the other side.

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Hi,
what was, please, the color of the canvas on the USS Arizona before/during attack on the PH?

1. Canvas on the main guns? It looks dark on the photos, but interpreted usually very bright, almost white on the kits (see pictures several posts above)
2. Canvas as a sun protection? It looks very bright (light grey? tan?...)

3. Canvas covering AA guns? It looks lighter than canvas on the main guns, but darker than the sun protection canvas.

Thank you.
66misos

Any "bright" canvas would be natural canvas. There was an effort to dye canvas blue for camouflage purposes that started in the summer/fall of 1941 (I haven't researched this fully, just some "spray" of documents I came across looking for camouflage in general) but if it's bright, it hasn't been dyed yet.

There was painted canvas but the directives generally called for this in areas where the canvas was exposed to exhaust fumes (think the searchlights on the aft tripod). This was painted a light gray, but I don't have the documentation in front of me and can't remember if it was #5 Standard Navy Gray or another light gray that looked more like natural canvas.

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In the Nov. '41 drydock photo above, you can see her #1 casemate opening for the 5" 51cal gun. Her canvas covering is rolled up above the opening and appears very light. However, this 4/1/41 pic shows the canvas cover of her #2 casemate. This is the first casemate on the port side just aft of her #2 turret. This pic suggests that at least the casemate coverings were not light. I'm wondering if the outside of the canvas was painted to match the ship but the inside was left unpainted.

Posting the documentation I have for now:

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Oops! Got my left and right confused!

Here is a look at the canvas casemate covers on 1/23/41. This is the starboard side aft most casemate #9. Still very light at that time.

Here is some more Arizona fun!
This shot is a horribly colorized still from the 4/1/41 film aboard Arizona. Looking past the awful color choices, this shot is very clear and shows very nicely how they tied down the Kingfishers while at sea.


Black and white version for comparison.


An interesting side note about this footage. Arizona left Pearl with only two of her three kingfishers aboard. For some reason she left 1-O-1 at Pearl. I often wondered why the film only showed two planes with her. Combing through USS Pennsylvania's deck logs during this time I came across some info about that missing plane.
On March 31st USS Pennsylvania was at Pearl and at 0800 hoisted aboard plane 1-O-1 then left Pearl to meet up with the rest of BATDIV 1 and 3 for exercises.


On April 1st, flight exercises were conducted and Pennsylvania launched her three planes and 1-O-1.


Upon completion of the flight exercises, 1-O-1 rejoined USS Arizona.

Shade of the canvas over casemates corresponds quite well with the surrounding light grey, at least at bw photos.
Here it looks pretty clean:

while here it already looks more dirty and greasy:


For comparison - canvas at the first two ships seems to be still in natural color, while canvas at the last two ships is already dyed blue:

Hi, the post above is mine. I was surprised by this feature of the forum - to post without being logged in. I browsed through the forum and did not realized that I was not logged in. It only asked my some question and it was done. Pretty interesting.

Yes, guests may post on the forum, but all posts have to be manually approved by moderators before they show up.

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Between the dates of Sept. 13 and Sept. 23, 1940 USS Arizona was moored at Pearl Harbor for the final time that year. She would sail for the States on Sept.23 to receive her final refit at Puget Sound. Here are a series of photos of her during those 10 days at Pearl. She is moored at Berth F-7 outboard of USS Colorado. Ahead of her at F-6 is USS Idaho outboard of USS Tennessee. Aft of her at F-8 is USS Mississippi outboard of USS Nevada. USS West Virginia was at Berth F-5.
A rowing crew belonging to USS West Virginia rows right up to the hull of USS Arizona capturing some nice looks at her.




Main deck showing the projector booth with the loud speaker scaffolding stowed up against it.


USS Arizona's midships.


USS Arizona's bow with the stern of USS Tennessee ahead. Notice the port hole in the lower right. It has bars on it indicating the location of the ship's brig.


USS Arizona's stern with USS Nevada behind.


USS Mississippi and USS Nevada.



USS Idaho and USS Tennessee with USS Arizona behind. Notice in the 2nd picture USS Tennessee already has her MK19 directors installed.



USS West Virginia at F-5 with USS Idaho and USS Tennessee behind.


USS Arizona and USS New Mexico sailing for the States on Sept. 23, 1940.