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Oh I see, I removed them cause I thought there was no mounts there for 1940 version, thankfully I got spairs.
Strange, Trumpeter/Pit-Road only indicates only in one side of the Vittorio Veneto same with RM Littorio and RM Roma.
But if there was a pair of 20mm AA guns, that makes a tottal number of 10 for a 1940 version, not 8 as you mentioned before. Still confused...

Help me Secondo !
Those two sall also stay for a 1940 version of RM Vittorio Veneto ?

They don't: this position was too near to the main guns and those mounts were not foreseen in the fitting. That should bring the number of mounts back to 8.

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Ah splendid ! I will put a pair of 20mm in the boat era, and remove those for a 1940 RM Vittorio Veneto !
Thank you sir
Trumpeter really messed up the RM Vittorio Veneto and RM Littorio's AA gun suit. So be carefull guys !

Giampiero,

May I request the same information? Can it be posted here? I plan on doing the Veneto in the same era.



Thanks,
CWatson

Ciao ,

I have included drawings of arms (I have not repeated those already installed), and position of carley









Ciao
Giampiero

Oh my God !
Thank you

Giampiero,

Thank you very much!

Question for those who know. Most models of this class show the life rafts in yellow and red. Where they always that color?


Thanks again,
CWatson

Giampiero

No, they were the same color of the surrounding surfaces at the beginning of the war; I think they were started to be painted red and yellow in 1942

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Si




The colour carley
Littorio 1940 light grey as hull
Littorio 1941 dark grey as color of camouflage
Littorio 1942 - 1943 yellow with stripes red
Littorio 1944 - 1947 light grey as hull


Veneto 1940 - 1941 light grey as hull
Veneto giugno 1941 - 1942 or full red or full yellow
Veneto giugno 1942 - 1943 yellow with stripes red
Veneto 1944 - 1947 light grey as hull

Ciao
Giampiero

You just saved me a lot of time...
Thanks guys !

Littorio - June-July, 1941. What were the deck colors ?

Camouflage was the so-called "double-fishbone" - dark gray with yellow-green "bones", white on bow and stern.

( ref. The Littorio Class: Italy's Last and Largest Battleships 1937-1948 Ermino Bagnasco,Augusto De Toro, p.205, 237-238)

Checking other books and pictures that I

Giampiero

I think the book " The Littorio Class: Italy's Last and Largest Battleships 1937-1948 " by Ermino Bagnasco and Augusto De Toro, on page 205 till page 238 provides enough information for the camouflage and the paint scheme.

I should restate my question(s):

(1) Were the red/white stripes present both fore and aft in June/July 1941
(2) If not present aft, was that deck painted or teak ?

One photo on page 211, supposedly taken from Littorio on 17 DEC 41, shows the stripes aft.

The top view drawing on page 238 shows the stripes forward with the teak deck painted gray - no caption on that particular drawing as to which ship, but it is adjacent to the Littorio artwork.

These questions are perhaps unanswerable, but "enough information" - not so sure.

I'm comfortable with the profiles and photos ( pp.205-207) for the basic camouflage, and my best "guess" on the decks would be stripes fore and aft - just trying for confirmation or denial

This is a picture from a Russian publication (I think0 that shows RM Vittoro Veneto in late 1941 early 1942 with stripes in her bow and on the her stern, Im not 100% sure if this is correct:

Atma - profiles are OK, but the overhead loses instantly with it's depiction of wooden decks.

Even if the stripe spacing/number/angle are correct, the aft teak decks did change during the life of the Littorio - my question is very specific to the time Littorio carried the fishbone or modified fishbone ( white added bow and stern ) in mid to late summer 1941.

If the the picture in Bagnasco (page 211, 17 DEC 41) is correctly captioned, then it would be likely that the stern stripes were applied at that time - I suspect that once removed or overpainted in "lead grey", they were not reapplied - but that's just my guess.

Perhaps Giampiero will have some insight.

Her's the color info from the Trumpeter/PitRoad 1:700 kit - note the 4 vs. 5 red stripes fore and aft ( and the red vs.green hull

I see in both ends only 4 stripes :S

The 5 red stripes I was referring to are on the Polish artwork which YOU POSTED ( from "Okrety Swiata 02 - Wloskie pancerniki typu Vittorio Veneto" ) - my point was that there are drawings / color profiles to match any number of incorrect assumptions on the deck colors.

Plus, I'm asking about the Littorio, NOT the V.V.