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You also need to reconfigure the twin AA guns on each beam. Yamato had 3 shielded twin 5" mounts on the lower positions, and 3 unshielded twin 5" mounts on the upper position. Musashi has 3 shielded twin 5" mounts on the upper position, and 3 unshielded triple 1" machine canons on the lower position.

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As Chuck and I discussed earlier, IF Musashi or Yamato had survived to have all twelve enclosed, likely the new six would feature more sloped armor on the plating, specifically on the right side of the turret, as the rounded armor was harder to produce. That would potentially be the one defining difference between Yamato and Musashi - Where the six sloped-armor turrets are. Since Yamato's enclosed turrets were in the bottom set, the new enclosed ones would be in the top positions, while Musashi's likely wouldn't have moved if the turrets had been immediately available, thus leaving the rounded turrets in the upper positions. Why make more worn for yourself, would be the question when installing the turrets.

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Another difference is, on the Yamato, the 2 triple 25mm AA mounts on either of the extreme forward of superstructure, right next to the low armored conning towers, are of the open mount variety in 1944. Musashi's retained the original turreted mount to the end. The same applied to the two 25mm mounts surrounding the rear range finders behind the funnel.

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Hi Yamato -holics (i have been addicted since '98 or earlier) I have a question about the Bow below the waterline, Was it designed for a specific purpose as it is very uniqe ...does it help push the water away from the hull? there by making the ship faster?

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The underwater shape is called a bulbous forefoot. It is there to reduce the wave drag and reduce the amount of power needed to propel the ship. The particular style of protruding bulbous forefoot used on Yamato is very common nowadays. But Yamato was the one that pioneered it. Prior to Yamato many other ships had used a much more subdued version of the bulbous forefoot where the bulb does not protrude forward.

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Seeing the hull like that gives me shivers down my spine tamiya’s hull looks waaaaay to plain, any ideas in how fixing this I mean I don’t want to get into something that I can’t chew but if you guys know of an easy way in making this possible using styrene or something else I’ll appreciate if you let me know. Chuck did you deal with this already or are you still miles away from it ? BTW I finally got Shinsengumi wooden deck today it took 2 months to get it I don’t know why but I thought these decks were thicker it feels kind of delicate in my hands I feel afraid I’m going to rip it apart or something, for those who haven’t seen it I’ll give you guys a hint it’s perhaps as thick as a sheet of paper.

http://sea.ap.teacup.com/applet/shin196 ... rchive?b=0


Jose

Jose:

I did the following mods to the hull itself:

1. Blanked off original haws holes, and made new ones higher up, near the top edge of the hull where they are shown in almost every reference material I've seen, also added the raised lips to the new haws holes.
2. Added lips to bow pipe under the national crest.
3. Thickened with crazy glue and slightly reshaped the towing fair leads on either side of the national crest at the bow to more closely resemble those on the Kure model.
4. Added new towing fairleads to the stern as shown on the Kure model. Some late information suggest the stern towing leads were a mis-reading of grainy photos, that what really was at that location was a depth charge rack. I don't quite believe it, but would be willing to modify the stern again to comply if clear photos come to light.
5. sanded and remade the transom stern so the vertical part of the transom is actually vertical, not slightly slanted as on the kit. A little styrene shoring was needed since the original hull hand to be sanded through to make the stern vertical. Latest information suggests the transom was an optical illusion, that the stern really was round. But it's too late for me.
6 Used Gunzy Mr Surfacer spray and masking tape to create overlapping hull plating effect on the entire hull following the rivet lines shown in CG drawings. It may not be completely accurate, but it greatly enhance the looks.
7. Removed the molded in degaussing cables and replaced them with Lion Roar PE
8. Removed the improbably shaped propeller shaft glands molded into the hull, and built realistic ones out of styrene tubes and putty
9. Reshaped the main and auxiliary rudder to conform to the shape on the Kiel model
10. Built new propeller shaft support struts out of styrene tube and 5mm strip to give the struts a more realistic hydrodynamic cross section
11. Drilled out all the portholes (I am building the 1941 version) and added brass wire eyebrows
12. Slightly reshaped the bulbous bow with a file and putty to more closely conform to the profile depicted in ATOS.
13. Reshaped the top edge of the extreme forward end of the armored belt. Although Tamiya agree with all references CG and drawings I've seen, it does not agree with the photo of Yamato during her trials. Tamiya and all the reference materials show the top edge of the armor belt remaining completely horizontal until the belt itself is faired smoothly into the hull ahead of number 1 turret. Photo seem to show the top edge of the belt in fact curves downwards forward of No. 1 turret before fairing smoothly into the hull.
14. Removed the molded in boat booms and replaced them with ones made from styrene square and half-round rods
15. Cut away the step in hull side just ahead of the catapult pivots, and rebuilt it with 0.3mm styrene so when seen from the back it would be appropriately thin.
16. Added hypothetical condenser intakes under the engine rooms
17. Added underwater hull side valves and intakes shown on the 1/100 scale model from the Imperial Navy Warship Models photo book.
18. Rebuilt the doors to the hullside boat hangers on either side of number 3 turret to conform to the Kure model.
19. Put in internal styrene longitudinal and transverse bulkheads to give deck a proper camber and to prevent see-through in the portholes.

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Thank you Chuck, you are indeed a life saver buddy , i'll keep you posted.


this is someting i don't like about the wooden deck, for some reason Shinsegumi didnt fill this whole side here the deck did come with a rectangular piece of wooden deck uncut my guess is i'm going to have to cut it and fill that empty gap there damn why can't things be the way i want




Jose

Jose:

How good is the fit of the wooden deck? Would there be enough extra material to fill in all the AA mounts that wasn't there during early war?

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Chuck the deck fits like a charm but it was designed primarily for the 1945 refit. The first section that comes after the ship’s forecastle fits nicely all I got to do here is get rid off the double capstans on both sides and a molded deck entrance. Second and third sections require more surgery nothing serious though in these I have to remove those round molded AA stations more deck entrances, some ammo boxes and remaining capstans. I like the way the planks look perhaps the deck doesn’t have the right color but for a guy who never gets an accurate color when painting plastic decks I’m really happy with the way it looks.







Jose

Hmmm, looks like laying the deck plank by plank can't be avoided.

I've already bought the planks, but I was hoping the way might still be open to laziness Nirvana.

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Chuck i want to show you something i found while i was skimming over AOTS,i don’t know why i have this feeling Shinsengumi based their wooden deck research on Skulski’s book it seems probable to me. There is something i don’t get with plenty of 3D sources on Yamato sources coming from the same Japanese market , real actual pictures even the huge model at Kure showing full deck on Yamato why would they (IF THEY DID) follow Skulski’s book, i mean i don’t want to say is inappropriate it’s great book i love it but couldn’t they have used a newer source. I might be wrong on this one but haven’t new things on the ship been discovered since AOTS was published?




Jose

I noticed that as well. But the Tamiya kit requires quite a bit of modification to the breakwater area to bring it up to the current research. For example the center 6 sided vent behind the breakwater is crap, and the 2 round vents on the outside should actually sit astride the breakwater, not behind it, and should have two stories of mushroom heads, not one. So I am guessing Shinsengum picked the most recent research that can be accommodated without serious modification to the Tamiya kit.

BTW, recently the artist who normally does the box paintings for Trumpeter ship models exhibited his original paintings at a show, and there was a never before seen painting of the Yamato. So there is speculation that Trumpeter is going to do a Yamato. Hopefully that would represent a more recent interpretation than ATOS.

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hhhmmmm i’m going to have to consult my other book regarding those vents, now that you mention it i do remember seeing the Yamato painting i’ve spent to much money on this project already i won't leave it aside to wait for another Yamato kit it’s a shame though sometimes all we need to have is a little patience in order to get rewarded at the end, if its true this kit could’ve saved us or save us a S@$#load of headaches

Jose

...which has just been completed by yours truly. The link is below. Let me know what you think after perusing it - which will take you awhile....

http://ultimatebattleshipyamatosite.tri ... ibrary?i=0

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I picked up the Fujimi kit depicting the Yamato on her final voyage. Seems like a very nice kit. the 25mm open mounts actually look half way decent.

i ordered the new lion roar ultimate detail set for her...costs twice as much as the kit alone! has anyone used this set yet? looks like it pretty much has everything but i have not seen a review for it.



for some reason i have a fascination with the 100mm AA guns on the Akizuki class. when they removed 2 of the 6 inch secondary turrets, did they ever consider putting the 100mm guns in their place or even full out replacing the 128mm guns with the 100s? since they only managed to shoot down a handful of the swarm of American carrier aircraft in Ten-Go, could the higher velocity and higher rate of fire of the 100s put up a better defense?

During Yamato's last engagement, the cloud deck was low, there were patchy drizzles which interrupted visibility even below the cloud deck. The condition for optical AA fire control was abysmal. The Japanese never developed workable radar directed AA gunnery. So there never was much room for medium to long range AA fire due to the whether condition and lack of radar. The major improvement from 127 to 100mm AA guns effects mid to long range AA fire. So it is highly doubtful that 100mm guns could have made any significant difference.

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thanks.

i've never had much interest in the IJN so I haven't read up on it.

Speak about Yamato???

Here at sea 1945 configuration :

Very nice picture, thanks for sharing

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Gilbert