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Sorry, probably, I use wrong terms.
I have recollected, where I saw the similar system - on the "DREADNOUGHT".

Agreed! You have to have some good informations to tell just how bad your bad informations are

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I fear I may have not expressed myself properly
Perhaps this may help.
Could it be an intake? Here it is marked on the plan, “95”


This is the key..

But I cannot read it well…

This plan is from 1903 and contains a few differences compared to the 1904 plans. So I am not sure how reliable it is.

If it is the same as OREL's intake,



I wonder where the the air went in???

Speculating purely from the location, and what Kronma has told us, I can imagine hot air being drawn by the ventilators from furnaces and/or machinery spaces (or, maybe, from Engine Room main vent shaft) and exhausted through the funnel. So (IF I am right) no intake or exhaust will be visible.

BTW as far as I can read it, the label for part 95 reads : "Вентилатор.выхода (something) и котельи.отд" which (I think) means: "Exhaust ventilator for (something) and boilers (отд.?)

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Now I am more confused..
I undestood that it was cool air being pulled in from outside and from accommodation areas into the boiler room to cool it down, the warm air escaped through the funnels passively..

So if cool air is being pulled in from outside, there must be something to let the air in, like a hach or a grille?
In orel, there are skylights aft of the funnel, but on Borodino? I think there has to be something if it is a vent...

Brilliant!!! Well done!!

I am as confused as you are John! I am just trying to make heads and tails from the fact I don't see any air intakes anywhere close to those ventilators. I also think (accent on "think") that they are labelled as exhaust and not intake ventilators. So, maybe, drawing hot air out caused inflow of fresh air through skylights/vents at the funnel base and from accomodation areas? We would use ventilation technician!

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This part 95 is translated a little differently:
"The fan. Exits from machine and boiler rooms."
I think, these supply trunk of ventilation were used as emergency exits from rooms (as shell elevators - for an exit from shell storage).

By the way, here the translation of two more parts:
94 - Trunk of an exit of hot air from the machine.
123 - the Exit of hot air from the generator.
In both cases it is specified that it is an exit of hot air.
But about part 95 - it is not present, and is written simply - "an exit".

Thanks very much Kronma,
for those inerested, here are 94 and 123

Hi Dave,
I thought I’d try to give feedback on these decks, but this is purely my interpretations of things.

Here goes..

1- I think there should be a stairwell here, I can’t see if there is one, my apologies if I’m wrong..
2- I am not sure if the window is in the centre of the cabin or not. I think the window in the photo of Orel is not in the centre of the cabin, I am not sure about Borodino though. I would doubt it being in the centre.
3- I am not sure if there is a stairwell here. It looks like it, but maybe it is some paint.. If it is a stairwell, it should not be there.. Again, my apologies if I’m wrong….
4- I am not sure about this pillar, it seems to be internal on the plans.. I cannot see an external pillar in the photos I have, but they are at the wrong angle or too far away. If anyone has proof either way, I’d be grateful
5- I think that there was a stairwell on this deck, as shown in the 1904 plans. I thought I saw proof of it, but am not sure. What do other people think?

Agreed on all points. Drawings show stairs leading down to Navigation Platform and than down to Conning Tower Platform but they stop there. As for the CT's rib John numbers 4: if it was there, it would (IMO) show up in this photo (notice that the angle is almost the same as in Dave's photo):

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1- I think there should be a stairwell here, I can’t see if there is one, my apologies if I’m wrong..

Yes, there is a stairwell there. No apologies necessary, this is valuable feedback and will help to make the kit as good as I can possibly make it.

2- I am not sure if the window is in the centre of the cabin or not. I think the window in the photo of Orel is not in the centre of the cabin, I am not sure about Borodino though. I would doubt it being in the centre.

I'll need some help in placing the windows and doors on all these cabins. When I get back to the cabins, I'll show all 4 sides of my arrangements for discussion.

3- I am not sure if there is a stairwell here. It looks like it, but maybe it is some paint.. If it is a stairwell, it should not be there.. Again, my apologies if I’m wrong….

You are right, and I realized it was wrong when I test fit it on the model and saw the ventilators directly beneath.

4- I am not sure about this pillar, it seems to be internal on the plans.. I cannot see an external pillar in the photos I have, but they are at the wrong angle or too far away. If anyone has proof either way, I’d be grateful

Agreed, it shouldn't be there. The fewer the parts the better!

5- I think that there was a stairwell on this deck, as shown in the 1904 plans. I thought I saw proof of it, but am not sure. What do other people think?

I'll add the holes for the stairs.

Dave

Than we are back to square 1... Exhaust ventilator made sense to me because neither intake (internal duct) nor exhaust (leading to funnel) needed not to be visible. But, if isn't exhaust, where is fresh air intake?

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While we are discussing ventilators, can anyone show what the openings might have looked like from the exterior? Here is a ventilator on a German ship of the era. Would the Russian system look simlar?

Well Dave, check second photo from the top from Kronma's post:


If my interpretation is correct, I think that is shows a view of a vent in deckhouse's wall.

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Dave,
I have had a look through my photos and haven't found anything like the ones shown in this photo. It could be mesh, a grille, maybe a solid cover covering the hole..

I believe that it cannot be an exhaust for one more reason - bad air could not deduce on height of human growth (besides - near to galleys).
It tried to throw out on the big height.
Fresh air could take from height of the person.


No, I did not see the same jalousie by the ships constructed in Russia.

I believe that John speaks truly.
Pay attention to small details - height of vents less, than cabins.
Corners of cabins not straight lines, and have radius.

I do not know, whether these details will be useful in scale 1:350

Kronma, I didn't mean to say that boxes 1 & 2 were exhausts but I thought that they might have been housings (установки?) for ventilators which draw hot air from machinery spaces and than exhaust it through the funnel which, you have to agree, is big height

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OK, Darius, at last I have understood you.
I believe that this arrangement of the fans is improbable, since all other fans are located deeply inside (in the bottom of) the ship.
Besides, the size of these boxes is too small to establish fans in them, IMHO.

That's great, everything is clear now Thankyou for that small detial Kronma, it's very interesting