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About Spencer Miller John: could well be. 2 pulleys visible under search light platform could have been stored there when not in use with Spencer Miller. But it leaves one question: in the photo this system cables connected main mast of one ship with foremast of another so, if those details were associated with Spencer Miller, shouldn't they be also visible on the foremast?

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"On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron." H. L. Mencken

Yes, certainly.
It is difficult to argue with a photo.


John, bravo!
As always, you are absolutely right!
These are details (pulleys) of Spencer Millar coaling system.



The case (frame) of a scuttle fastened (on screws) to sheets of an external covering.
Therefore, the angle of scuttle`s slope always was the same, as an angle of slope of a board of the ship.
It`s the "Aleksandr III"`s scuttles:



I believe, because the S-M system has not been intended for coal loading from the fighting ship to the fighting ship - only from the coal transport going behind (on a tow).
In a photo we see experimental, non-usual use of system, IMHO.

Thanks for the drawing Kronma. As always, you come up with treasures

Sounds good to me Especially that winches associated with S-M system were all located aft.

And just to clarify: there were 3 S-M fittings on the main mast?

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Not all...
Two more winches were on the sparedeck.
Besides, both winches which are drawn in the Album, are in marching position, not in the position for use.

Thanks Andrew, all is clear Also my apologies, it is SPENCER MILLER (MILLAR is a spelling common in my part of the world)

Can't for the life of me find this information now but I am almost sure that I have read somewhere that Spencer-Miller system was taken off either Orel or Borodino and installed on another ship (Imp. Nikolay I ?)...

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I was looking at the photos again, and I think I noticed something else. I think the compass on the middle platform is not where it is own on the plans. The compass ( + ) is shown as outboard of the ladder ( = ) and outboard of the middle bridge support ( + ).

Looking at the photos, it appears to be inboard of both of these. I think it is almost next to the inboard side of the ladder. I think it is around the location marked ( x ).



But this does not match the plan above, or this plan.

So, what was the true shape of the middle bridge?
Also, I think there is a rangefinder pillar on the outboard end of the middle bridge. I have not seen a rangefinder in this location on OREL.

I don't think that moving compass to a different location would have to have an effect on middle bridge's shape. Shape of the bridge and position of compasses on the drawings was what designers thought as a good idea. Practice could have showed a necessity of relocating compasses which wouldn't be a major operation. On the other hand, changing shape of the middle bridge to accommodate new locations, would be. And I don't think there was a time for that. Just an opinion of course.

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Moving the compass would not be a major operation and changing the shape would not be necessary as long as the crew could get past the compass without difficulty. The reason for the bridge being wider where the compass was located on the plans was I think to allow the crew to pass.

Either way, the compass is in a different location from the plans.

Any luck remembering the source of your information on the S-M?

Touché


Did have busy couple of days. Will start seriously looking for this info asap. Just remember, I have said "almost sure".

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I hope we don't have to have a duel

I have had another look at the middle bridge and think that I may have found the discrepancy in the position of the compass with respect to the ladder. I think the ladder is not shown in the correct position on the plan. This is because in the photo, the middle of the bridge support ( + ) is in line with the outboard stanchion on the ladder ( = ). I marked the line of sight on the photo in orange. It can be seen that the ladder has been drawn in a different position.


Moving the ladder nearer to where I think it should be, the position of the compass with respect to the ladder becomes much closer to what is seen in photographs.

Therefore, I think that this must be closer to the true configuration.

I have an attractive color plan & profile drawing of Slava during WWI. I would like to do a model of the ship in this guise, but am at a loss as to the shape of the deck houses (plan view). Can anyone shed any light on this question?

Hi,
which deck houses were you thinking of? I have very little information on Slava, but may be able to help.

Cerberusjf: Thanks for offering to see if you can help. The drawing I have has forward and aft upper deck platforms that obscure the shape of the underlying structures below the bridge & what was previously the after bridge.

G. Shoda
Probably, this drawing will be useful.

Kronma:

Thanks a lot for your assistance. The drawing should be very helpful in determining the shapes of the deck houses I was unsure of. I am in the last stages of completing a model of the French predreadnought Charlemagne but am very excited about moving on to the next model, which now will surely be Slava. Thanks again.

Regards,

G. Shoda

Nice work able

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Hi Pustotnik,
the mast on the draft of "BORODINO" is I think on frame 72, the mast on "OREL" in her draft is on frame 71, so "BORODINO's" mast is 1.2 m aft of "OREL's" on the drafts. If "BORODINO's" mast is a further 0.8m aft, then it would be 2m aft of "OREL's" mast. Is that correct? May I ask where this information comes from please? Can I ask why this was done?
Thanks.

Hello there shipwrights,
I have started my first ship model - the Zvezda 'Orel'.
Would like to depict it enroute to Tsushima.
I'm unable to see if they carried the torpedo nets slung along the hull on this journey. Can anyone enlighten me?
What is the best way to model the nets? Shoelace??
Many thanks.
Ken