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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 10:52 pm 
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To be honest, I never encountered the ochre mast option until the Hobby Boss 1/200 paint guide you posted came out. I don't think it was an option we discussed in this thread till now, even. I would trust the Hasegawa paint scheme more than the Hobby Boss one: http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10460323

Also, here's the actual Hasegawa 1/350 paint guide for the Victorian scheme - as you can see, it's consistent with the newer 1/700 model's white masts:


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Timmy C wrote:
To be honest, I never encountered the ochre mast option until the Hobby Boss 1/200 paint guide you posted came out. I don't think it was an option we discussed in this thread till now, even. I would trust the Hasegawa paint scheme more than the Hobby Boss one: http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10460323

Also, here's the actual Hasegawa 1/350 paint guide for the Victorian scheme - as you can see, it's consistent with the newer 1/700 model's white masts:


Where did you find the 1/350 Hasegawa guide? Is there a PDF? Struggling a bit with painting instructions of details on deck for example etc. I searched a lot but cant find a PDF of the victorian scheme in 1/700 or 1/350 in good detail...

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Difference in the Mikasa 1/350 kits tsushima and yellow sea battle versions?

I mean just a quick difference. Is it mostly extra ventilators and different masts?


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Felix C wrote:
Difference in the Mikasa 1/350 kits tsushima and yellow sea battle versions?

I mean just a quick difference. Is it mostly extra ventilators and different masts?


I have 1/700 which offers to build 2 versions: Yellow Sea and Tsushima.

Difference as far as I can tell:
Yellow Sea:
Masts with gun platforms
Ventilators
secondary guns have shields (sorry cant tell calibre, im not so into rivet counting YET on it)

Japan Sea - Tsushima:
Masts lack platforms and have different layout
Ventilators are covered in some areas
extra guns on bridges, and no gun shields

Victorian:
as Yellow Sea + launches on the stern (4x) and different paint job as per reference above


Still looking for Victorian paint scheme instructions if anyone has them! :big_grin:

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Thanks. I take it the 1/350 Victorian pre-war scheme in suspect?


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pascalemod wrote:
Timmy C wrote:
To be honest, I never encountered the ochre mast option until the Hobby Boss 1/200 paint guide you posted came out. I don't think it was an option we discussed in this thread till now, even. I would trust the Hasegawa paint scheme more than the Hobby Boss one: http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10460323

Also, here's the actual Hasegawa 1/350 paint guide for the Victorian scheme - as you can see, it's consistent with the newer 1/700 model's white masts:


Where did you find the 1/350 Hasegawa guide? Is there a PDF? Struggling a bit with painting instructions of details on deck for example etc. I searched a lot but cant find a PDF of the victorian scheme in 1/700 or 1/350 in good detail...


Yup, right here: http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10045599

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Hi all,

While we are talking about 'Victorian' scheme on Mikasa, I notice there are a lot Mikasa models online that have been painted in a curious sort of hybrid scheme

Lower hull: Black
Superstructure: light grey
Funnels: black + white bands.

Some manufacturers such as Seals Models even include this odd scheme in their painting instructions (e.g. Cruiser Iwate kit asks you to paint the upper works in an equivalent to US Navy Light Gull Grey!)

Does it have any basis in reality?


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What do you mean by "hybrid", Billy? What you've described IS the Victorian scheme that's been discussed in this thread. If you mean the call for light grey instead of white, then that could just be (as I did) an attempt to account for scale effect - pure white in 1/700 or 1/350 scales are a bit glaring, not to mention being a pain to paint. It could also be that the real life colour was indeed a light grey, but it's always been referred to as white in the discussions here for ease of description (light grey next to black does appear, after all, white).

Hasegawa's latest 1/700 Victorian scheme kit further subdivides into two different schemes - black versus white/light grey masts: http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/image/10460323/40/1
I would ignore the two-tone appearance of the hull in the upper scheme - it looks like a scanning or printing error since it doesn't call for separate colours.

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Timmy C wrote:
What do you mean by "hybrid", Billy? What you've described IS the Victorian scheme that's been discussed in this thread. If you mean the call for light grey instead of white, then that could just be (as I did) an attempt to account for scale effect - pure white in 1/700 or 1/350 scales are a bit glaring, not to mention being a pain to paint. It could also be that the real life colour was indeed a light grey, but it's always been referred to as white in the discussions here for ease of description (light grey next to black does appear, after all, white).

Hasegawa's latest 1/700 Victorian scheme kit further subdivides into two different schemes - black versus white/light grey masts: http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/image/10460323/40/1
I would ignore the two-tone appearance of the hull in the upper scheme - it looks like a scanning or printing error since it doesn't call for separate colours.


Thanks Timmy, I think you're right- manufacturers such as Seals Models give a light grey colour (equivalent to the same "gull gray" the US Navy painted it's carrier aircraft in the 60s!) for the parts I would expect to be pure white. I guess they're just trying to tone down a very stark black/white scheme on a small scale model. It's a bit misleading though- I prefer the colour call outs to be the 'real' colour- I can then make a modellers decision to lighten,darken, change tone as I see fit!

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Do we know color of the deck of Mikasa in 1902? Japanese ships tended to have this much lighter yellower color but today Mikasa is as expected with an all gray bleached out by the sun deck. How was in in 1902? It was built in England so if Im making a new ship, what should I aim for? Anything to watch out?

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You should never take the present day Mikasa as a source of any information about its Russo-Japanese War appearance. Lighter color is the way to go.

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I'm building the hobby boss 1/200 Mikasa 1902 in her Victorian livery. Am I right in thinking that I'd be better using RN antifouling red rather than IJN red?

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Ady wrote:
Am I right in thinking that I'd be better using RN antifouling red rather than IJN red?


Just red mixed with some dark yellow (dunkelgelb, like on german WW2 armour) is what I used, closer to RN result, and sprayed with very thin layer of gray to lighten it up (1/9 diluted with spirit). I dont know what is IJN hull red, becuase Tamiy has this dark brick red color and you think THATS it and then there is a an aircraft carrier half sunk after WW2 and it has color photos... and hull is red. I think this brick red dark color is wrong. Use red.

Now, on as Im back building my Mikasa, here is the result of reading all this thread and researching the web so far for Victorian paint scheme. Take it for what it is, an opinion. But I think here Im making 2 assumptions: this was a ship that looked british when build and delivered, and then repainted by Japan. Its ok if it looks a bit Victorian for all intents and purposes. And colors for that period all must be scaled to account for paint quality of those days. Antifouling included (it would be weaker than more modern equivalents).

1) Black for hull - it is a nato black (not pitch black) paint, that will be washed-diluted with navy blues and dark browns. There was no super black paint back then. Blue is sea reflection, black is dirt/coal and rust all mixed in.
2) White on superstructures - there was no brilliant white paint then also, and for scale it wont be light gray necessarily. The white that was used in those days was slightly creamy color. So dirty off white makes more sense. So if you wanna do the white color correctly - diluted with bit of dark yellow-gray mix, not just go monochrome. Makes more sense for 1/200 and 1/350 but mine below is also done this way. Light gray with black is wrong, IMHO.
3) Masts - black-white(or ochre) mixture in early days like 1902, as launched, and black all on 1904. Easy.
4) Ventilators inside - Id do red in 1902 and black in 1904. Why not. Red is nicer for contrast and in Victorian spirit, so to say.
5) Antifouling red - royal navy kind - reddish-brown but not too bright like American, not too brown like German. Not dark brown red like Tamiya Hull Red which is best to be used on German hulls as a filter only (diluted 1/9). I do XF7+XF10+XF60 and mix my own, with XF7 dominating, like 3:1:1 and spray with diluted light gray for wear and may be also spray diluted orange if you like - that also seems to correct things nicely and blends in your rust streaks and panel lines etc.
6) I would consider adding some panel lines on the hull in this scale with very thin brush strokes in few areas just to give the ship a little more volume, though it will look overscale perhaps. :)

Here is my little Mikasa in 1/700 WIP!


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