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 Post subject: Re: At 'Em Arizona Fans!
PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:58 am 
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It would seem I stand corrected regarding the gun tub and director details for the 1.1" guns. I was snooping elsewhere on this forum and see it has been done, with detail differences, a few years ago. I still welcome any details and/or feedback.

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 Post subject: Re: At 'Em Arizona Fans!
PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:22 pm 
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Guest wrote:
Tangent alert: paravane rigging on fo'c'sle... I seem to recall seeing someone model the smaller chains on the fo'c'sle and I have been curious as to what they were for. I surmised it was for the paravanes but wasn't sure until today. I found some pics online of the chains routed down to the forefoot, through a "paravane skeg", but these pics appear to have been EARLY 20th century (WW1?). I have done some basic searched for the rigging but haven't found much of anything useful.

Questions:
How were the chains rigged on deck?
How were they rigged on the side/bottom of the hulls?

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Jim,
Yes those were Paravane lines. When not in use, the paravanes were stowed on barbette #2.
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Here are a couple of pics of the lines on the deck.
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Notice the "sawhorse" on the port side raising up the lines off the deck for some reason in this shot.
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 Post subject: Re: At 'Em Arizona Fans!
PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:40 pm 
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10tweaker wrote:
It would seem I stand corrected regarding the gun tub and director details for the 1.1" guns. I was snooping elsewhere on this forum and see it has been done, with detail differences, a few years ago. I still welcome any details and/or feedback.

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Jim, I gave it a go a couple of years ago.
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I too made my post thicker than what Tracy believes is the correct size. Amazingly, this detail of the ship continues to be overlooked by those that have mapped and sonar scanned the wreck.
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This is the only image I have ever been able to find that possibly shows the director platform but it appears to be much thicker than what it seems to be today.
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I also agree with Tracy that the base of the gun tub was probably square. The only ship that didn't have a square base was Tennessee as seen here. Her tub was very unique. No ribs on the outside and also, the face of the tub was flat, not rounded like the rest of the tub.
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 Post subject: Re: At 'Em Arizona Fans!
PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:28 am 
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Hi Jeff,
Thanks for the feedback and I love the way you modeled yours! I have those screen grabs and use them as reference as well. Seeing those prompted me to find some of those videos online and provided invaluable reference I had not previously seen. Other areas I think have not been given "full treatment", so to speak, are the already-mentioned gun tubs and directors and the "break" in the deck but also the 1.1" director platforms on the bridge. The model has those molded as solid disks, but a screen grab I have clearly shows it as a ring with a couple of angled cross pieces and a single, angled strut holding it up. I am also trying to determine of the forward 1.1" tubs had a metal bottom or wood, as illustrated on Pennsylvania in early 1942 shipyard pics. I am thinking it was wood except for the area immediately hanging over the edge of the casemate, which would be metal. The closest I have to that area on AZ is a grainy and obscured screen grab from the same video I mentioned for the fwd directors and the only thing clearly visible is some sort of box in the fwd gun tub. Nothing much to see of the decking there. Hopefully, upcoming research may reveal more!

Thanks for the pic of your model. I went back to review your thread but most of the pics are no longer there.

I revised my version of the aft tub and director as well...


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 Post subject: Re: At 'Em Arizona Fans!
PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:47 am 
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it will be made from metal with maybe wood platform bolted to it for anti-skid.


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 Post subject: Re: At 'Em Arizona Fans!
PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:02 pm 
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10tweaker wrote:
I am also trying to determine of the forward 1.1" tubs had a metal bottom or wood, as illustrated on Pennsylvania in early 1942 shipyard pics. I am thinking it was wood except for the area immediately hanging over the edge of the casemate, which would be metal.


Definitely teak decking except for the overhang.
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 Post subject: Re: At 'Em Arizona Fans!
PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:47 am 
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You're "Da Man", Jeff, thanks! I have that video, but my screen grab didn't come out that clear -- thanks! Any ideas as to what the box is? Also, do you know how the paravane rigging was done both on-deck and through the skeg on the fore foot? Sorry for the questions, but if I don't ask while it is fresh in my mind, I will go down a rabbit hole regarding other details and forget to come back to this! LOL

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 Post subject: Re: At 'Em Arizona Fans!
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Not sure what the box is. As far as the paravane lines go, two lines went down to the bottom of the bow and came back up on the other side. How it all worked? I have no idea but it's a cool detail that I had to add to my kit.
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 Post subject: Re: At 'Em Arizona Fans!
PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 6:29 am 
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Very nice! Thanks.

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 Post subject: Re: At 'Em Arizona Fans!
PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:50 am 
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Knocked out a bucket list item this week. Very moving moment for me.
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 Post subject: Re: At 'Em Arizona Fans!
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Great pics and congrats on your visit, Jeff. Your paravane rigging is spot-on BTW. Standby for some new research info...


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 Post subject: Re: At 'Em Arizona Fans!
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For the sake of conversation, what are the areas of most interest regarding Arizona? For me, it has been the fwd and aft 1.1 guns and directors as well as the area around the "break" in the deck and the bridge area. What say you?

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 Post subject: Re: At 'Em Arizona Fans!
PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2018 11:15 pm 
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I enjoy all of it!
Here are a couple of views from that film showing the crew enjoying ice cream on the port side quarter deck just aft of the 1.1 gun tub( or maybe forward of the starboard side tub). These views confirm her tub base was square.
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 Post subject: Re: At 'Em Arizona Fans!
PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:00 pm 
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Tracy White wrote:
A couple of comments.

I believe the support for the 1.1" director platform should be a pole (thinner than what you have) as per what was installed on Pennsylvania in January of 1943. Item 5 in this picture shows what looks to me to be a 9-12" pipe.


Tracy,
I'm still not convinced that the pole was as thin as the one on Pennsylvania. Take a look at this pic which suggest it was much thicker.
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But of course I've been known to be wrong before! This is after all a VERY grainy view of it.


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 Post subject: Re: At 'Em Arizona Fans!
PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 5:54 am 
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Hi Jeff,

Great close-up on the gun tub. I have been curious about that, if it was Arizona or the cruiser in the next part of the film. I assumed it to be AZ, but when it comes to assumptions, I have a bad habit of emphasizing the first the letters of that word! LOL. Seriously though, if the consensus on that portion of the film shown in the screen grab is that it is AZ, then I'm of the opinion that the lower-angle view of the square based gun tubs (I think on TN?) would be accurate for AZ. Thoughts?

I don't recall seeing the particular view shown in your last post regarding the director platform. Is it a screen grab or other?

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 Post subject: Re: At 'Em Arizona Fans!
PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 9:33 am 
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Jeff, going by Arizona's Booklet of General Plans, I calculated the diameter at about 22".


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 Post subject: Re: At 'Em Arizona Fans!
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On another AZ subject, I'm guessing the wood decks for the 350th Hobby Boss kit won't quite work on the Mini Hobby? Close but no banana? What's out there that I can find?


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 Post subject: Re: At 'Em Arizona Fans!
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Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the Hobby Boss and Mini Hobby kits are the same.


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 Post subject: Re: At 'Em Arizona Fans!
PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:36 am 
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Okay, wasn't sure, thanks!


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 Post subject: Re: At 'Em Arizona Fans!
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I have a question that I believe has never been asked. I always believed the Arizona carried three anchors just from looking at plans, photos and models. Now we know one is at Hawaii and one is in the state of Arizona. Can anyone tell me where the third is? Buried in the muck at the bottom of the harbor? Just curious.


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