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 Post subject: Re: At 'Em Arizona Fans!
PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 10:52 pm 
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It's been a while since I've worked on my Arizona so I've forgotten some of my research I did on paints. I'm looking for opinions on what brand people think has the best match for USN 5-S? I'd like to use an acrylic paint, but if there are no good matches then I will use an enamel.

I've been leaning towards the Model Master Acrylic, thoughts on that one?


Also, if anyone has advice for the other colors I will need (Deck Gray, Linoleum, Anti-fouling) please let me know.

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 Post subject: Arizona's rigging
PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2017 2:29 am 
Is there evidence that she had the lines running from the foretop to the jackstaff, and the other one to the stern. I've been looking at all the images I can find and can't see them anywhere. Also, if it was there then precisely where did the forward one run from on the foretop?
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I was curious if anybody knows what the height of the boot topping would be? I was marking my hull and think I have it too wide so I want to double check.

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 Post subject: Re: At 'Em Arizona Fans!
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This is a great documentary of Arizona.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paOxB8_2ytQ

Ensign Weeden captured some color footage of her in 1941. Although it is prior to her MS-1 camo this film is definitely 1941. Here are a couple of stills.

Main Fighting top with birdbath on top.
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Starboard side next to turret #4 looking forward. Notice the gun director in the upper left.
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Same location but the deck is now visible. Notice the color difference on the deck.
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Jeff Sharp wrote:
This is a great documentary of Arizona.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paOxB8_2ytQ

Ensign Weeden captured some color footage of her in 1941. Although it is prior to her MS-1 camo this film is definitely 1941. Here are a couple of stills.

Main Fighting top with birdbath on top.
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Starboard side next to turret #4 looking forward. Notice the gun director in the upper left.
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Same location but the deck is now visible. Notice the color difference on the deck.
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I looked at the footage a bit. The color difference on the deck is that it's wet from rain. The crew members are in formation and in their dress blues, one sailor is wearing a workcoat. It also looks like a change of command ceremony.


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Perhaps wet from rain but how did the rain select a single seam line to end at? Or, is it a different type of wood other than teak that they were experimenting with?


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Jeff Sharp wrote:
Perhaps wet from rain but how did the rain select a single seam line to end at? Or, is it a different type of wood other than teak that they were experimenting with?

I don't think it was a different type of wood, maybe from the type of varnish used on the wood.


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Could also just be the shadows cast by the crew.

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ph levels wrote:
Is there evidence that she had the lines running from the foretop to the jackstaff, and the other one to the stern. I've been looking at all the images I can find and can't see them anywhere. Also, if it was there then precisely where did the forward one run from on the foretop?
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If you go to http://www.navsource.org you will find a series of photos of Pennsylvania taken at Mare Island in Feb. 1942. They can be difficult to see, but there are definitely lines rigged to both her jack staff and ensign staff from the tops. I assume Arizona would have been similar.

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 Post subject: Re: At 'Em Arizona Fans!
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US Navy wood decks weren't varnished. There were experiments with wood decks to try out different woods, but only on Colorado and Maryland and the location was either on the boat deck in a limited section or outboard of the case mates. I agree that the wood looks wet. The sky is clearly overcast so it's possible it was raining before the ceremony. Van Valkenburgh took command of Arizona on February 5th, so it's possible that's the date of this video clip is then.

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Tracy -

In the Booklet of General Plans for Oklahoma (on your website), the Superstructure Deck has a note just above the No. 5 5" AA gun that states "Deck Plank 3" Douglass Fir" while on the Main and Upper Decks there are notes stating "Deck Plank 3 1/2" Teak". The Arizona plans, on the other hand, don't say anything about the planking that I've been able to find. But it is enough to make me wonder if the Doug. Fir might have been typical for the NV, PA, and NM-classes when they got their new superstructure decks in their big late '20s/early '30s refits. (I recall reading somewhere that some of the USN treaty cruisers built around the same time got Doug. Fir decks - Depression-era cost saving over the traditional teak, perhaps?)

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I don't have the document with me, but one of the ships tested Angelique and the other Mangachapoi. Neither was found to be as suitable as Teak, but one was found to be OK and I think the other had excess cracking or was hard to work (dulled tools much faster) - maybe a combination of both. I haven't seen any discussion at Archives about philosophies for deck planking yet so I'll admit the differences between decks and classes is a mystery to me as well. I have been through decking files in the past, but mainly focused on determining if linoleum was used on external decks.

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 Post subject: Re: At 'Em Arizona Fans!
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Hi All,

Building the 1/200 Arizona and am curious to know if the inside of the rectangular main deck hatches were painted white. I plan to model a number of these hatches open using the Eduard PE braces, and just want to get the detail as accurate as possible.

All advice welcome.

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Yes and no. As far as we know the interior surfaces were painted white (we're finding more evidence of silver in interior compartments but not enough to consistently change common wisdom), however the actual hatches opened to an open space, so the walls of the hatch opening would actually be open air a few inches below the deck. Painting that as shadow accurately, however, will be interesting.....

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Perhaps this image of Portland on 12/7/41 will help a bit.
http://images.google.com/hosted/life/13 ... 81392.html


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Proving that a picture is worth a thousand words....

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Hi Tracy and Jeff,

Thanks for your replies. They were extremely helpful and appreciated.

One more query; modelling the aviation fuel line running the port side; I've found the following photo of Arizona in dry dock (not dated) and it appears the fuel line runs much further towards the bow and snakes higher up the upper hull than I had previously seen modelled, or in any other pics.

Do you believe this is, in fact, the run of the fuel line, or just some interesting shadowing effect?

http://i1.wp.com/historyinfotos.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/932.jpg

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That is an early photo of Arizona. The fuel line is best seen in the image below taken at Puget Sound in January of 1941.

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The aviation fuel line ran differently in 1935-36. Sometime after that time period it was re-routed to the way we see it in the 1941 photo. Here is a film clip following the path of the fuel line in 1935. The camera takes us from stern to bow. Oddly enough, the sailor sitting at the beginning of the film is almost in the exact location as the sailor sitting in the 1941 pick. Also notice the bars over the porthole at the end of the film. This is where the "Isolation Ward" was.
http://www.gettyimages.com/videos/51159 ... st#license


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