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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 9:25 pm 
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Howdy,
Greetings from the Kazakhstan of the United States. We're a lot like the other Kazakhstan (lots of sheep and horses) but with fewer Kazakhs. And like our long lost cousins in Central Asia, there's not a lot to do out here after going to the rodeo, going to the bar, and re-tightening the headers on the pickup. So you find yourself thinking "why not scratch build old herself BB 32?"
In the city of Casper, Wyoming we have a great honkin' model of her as she was in her glory. It is said to be a "builders model" which may mean that a shop at William Cramps and Sons built it, or was contracted by that yard. And in the city of Cheyenne (our Capital) there used to be an old blueprint with an elevation and plan, but very faded.
There may or may not be plans in Record Group 19 at the College Park Archives. Taubman's Plans can't help. Combrig said they'd consider as a future project, but at 1:700 or 1:350 these would just be aides for a larger scratch build.
There are lots of photos of Wyoming and her sister Arkansas, and even some small plans for Arkansas available on ebay but I need better info specific to Wyoming. Locating a manuscript collection from Cramp's Philadelphia shipyard would be a real help.
Just to let you young salts know what a real battleship was like, Wyoming was coal fired (no greasy kid stuff for her) and belched through two stacks. She had six (yes, 6) turrets and two cage masts. All in all a proper battleship.

"The map of the world in the Admiralty War Room measured nearly twenty feet by thirty. Being a seaman's map, its center was filled by the greatest mass of water on the globe: the enormous areas of the Pacific filling upwards of three hundred square feet. On this map the head of a pin represented the full view to be obtained from the masts of a ship on a clear day."
Winston Churchill

July 6, 2013

Got my pre-order into Pacific Front for the Samek 1:700 Wyoming. Along with the Floating Drydock "G" plans of Arkansas I may be making some headway.


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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 2:25 am 
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For your interest - Wyoming late in life: viewtopic.php?f=13&t=152065

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 2:13 pm 
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Love the Wyoming - got some great picks of her. will have to post later


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Most things with 12 guns, especially those with 6 turrets, are of interest to me. However I got impatient with the Wyoming not being out yet (and I dislike pre-ordering) so I just bought the Samek New York for now to get my cage mast fix :big_grin: I'll keep an eye on what you're doing with their Wyoming though, might inspire me to get one in the future.

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here's my 2400 Wyomings - still working on the paint - KBed 2 Arkansas hulls to make the AG17 conversions


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 5:13 pm 
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Here are some better picks.


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I'll have to do one of those Samek BB-33's... Six turrets!

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blw wrote:
I'll have to do one of those Samek BB-33's... Six turrets!


1918 cool ! - $100 wow - too rich for me - but cool - I see BB-32 as well also Tom's Modelworks & HP have BB-33 1944 but I don't see a price? I'd love to get a 700 scale - 1918 mod of 32 & Texas.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 5:50 pm 
Today is August 13, 2014: My grandfather, John C. Gamble (Ship Fitter, 2nd Class) served aboard USS Wyoming from 1917-1919. He was in the "Carpenter's Gang" because of his ability as a Mechanical drawer, which later became his life-long career as a naval draftsman at (first) the Boston Navy Yard and later Portsmouth Navy Yard. When he left the Wyoming, he walked off with a complete set of blueprints. He died in 1982 and a lot of his stuff was simply boxed up and forgotten about. I recently came into possession of the box with the blueprints, and the 1917-1918 North Sea cruise book. Both are in excellent condition. I'm thinking of having the blue prints framed. The front sheet says: "Plan No. 39, Booklet of General Plans, prepared in office of Superintendending Constructor, WM Cramp & Sons, S & E B. Co." The "box" labelled "Corrected to Suit Ship" has corrected dates ranging from July 13, 1911 up to "DEC 1915". The booklet of plans folds up: when laid flat, it initially measures 18'' X 7 1/2 inches, and then folds out again so that it is 36'' X 15''. There are tears along some of the fold lines. (Not surprising given that they are nearly 100 years old.) I live and work in the Washington DC area and hope to get over to the Naval Historical Center at the Washington Navy Yard to see if there is any interest in their "scanning" these prints before I have them mounted to a decorate an office. Rick Gamble email: swegam@verizon.net


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Very nice find Rick! They will probably wish to have them scanned and hopefully add them to this page in due course: http://www.hnsa.org/doc/plans/index.htm

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Does anyone have any more info on this photo or by chance have come across more of the same scene? Its dated to early October 1945 at Pearl and depicts BB-33 moored alongside BB-64 during a respite between Magic Carpet runs. I'd like to build this as a diorama for possible display aboard BB-64.

http://navsource.org/archives/01/064/013364a.jpg

Does anyone know where in Pearl they are tied up so I could get some more shots of the surrounding area? I'm only going to include a small section of the pier/land but enough to show where they are.

The ships appear to be nested, correct? Any idea how the gangways between the two ships would be rigged or how they would be tied up to each other?

Would it be safe to assume that the crews had holy stoned the teak back to natural wood by this point?

Any and all help is appreciated as always.

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Okay found this gem today: http://www.history.navy.mil/our-collections/photography/numerical-list-of-images/nhhc-series/nh-series/80-G-451000/80-G-451391.html

From looking at aerial photos they're moored at Ten-Ten Dock. I was able to get a few shots of the pier wall from looking at salvage photos of the Oglala so I think I'm set. I'll just use artistic license for the rest.

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I've got the 1/700 Samek 1/700 USS Arkansas BB-33 kit arriving soon and wondered if anyone has any comments on building this kit or any good sources for her WWI-era fit; paint scheme etc.


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I'm working on a commission build of the USS Wyoming 1918. Does anyone have any close up pics or better yet a rigging diagram for her at or about that time period?

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Hi Guys, Navsource has 3 photos of Wyoming dated June 6, 1942 showing her in MS-12 Mod camo. Two of them are of her starboard side and one is an overhead shot. There was a fourth pic taken that day showing her port side that is not included with the Navsource collection. I found a poor copy of it in an old book but would love to find a higher rez copy of this pic. Does anyone know where there is a better copy of this photo? I have scoured the internet for this pic but came up empty. Any leads would be much appreciated.
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I don't have this particular view of USS WYOMING. But, I can provide some interesting side stories about them. I came across a series of aerial color transparencies of ships in Hampton Roads at NARA. They had no dates, but digging on ships taken in the photos and help from others who know that area, put them as being take in Mid-June 1942. One photo showed USS WYOMING (AG-17) in the middle of a bunch of USN Transports receiving ammo alongside. The bow on image of WYOMING was at a fair distance and didn't show much of her pattern, but did show that she had unpainted wood decks.

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Of the three Navsource views dated 6 June 1942, one is miss dated as 6 June 1943 in the Navsource caption, two are Norfolk Navy Yard photos taken post alterations made during a yard period from a surface ship. The aerial views may or may not have been taken at the same time from the same aircraft that took the color images of multiple ships. None of the color transparencies I went through were of WYOMING this close up.

But, the NorNAS took BuShips "required" aerial photos of ships in Hampton Roads after work being done at NorNY. Those photos were turned over to BuAer who sent them on to NorNY or in turn sent prints to BuShips. The third June 1942 image ... http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/013231.jpg ... an overhead aerial view, came from an ONI collection distributed for ship recognition purposes. The same image likely was also provided to BuShips. But, ONI would have gotten copies of the best views and sometimes they don't ALL show up in BuShips folders. I don't know of an ONI collection of images at NARA.

Because the caption says for one of the other photos (taken from a surface ship) ...

Photograph # 19-N-30947 from the Bureau of Ships Collection in the U.S. National Archives.

19-N numbered images at NARA are BuShips photos. If prints still exist, they would be in the 19-LCM collection. If the prints don't exist at NARA, the negatives "should" be available in cold storage. Also, there are microfilm rolls with copies of all 19-N negatives in the 19-Z collection (up to a point after WWII). The 19-Z collection of microfilm rolls of images (pretty poor quality) ends up being a sequence ordered index of the BuShips photos. The sequence of images taken from the surface ship, will likely be in number range near 19-N-30947 (in about Roll #35-36). It is questionable if the surface ship (boat) that took those images went all the way around the ship. Whether the aerial view you posted is among them, I don't know. The BuAer taken images were turned in separately and could be numbered 100's or more after the above sequence.

I have not gone through the USS WYOMING (AG-17) folders in 19-LCM, so I don't know what prints they have. That would be a good place to search. NARA II, College Park, MD, 5th floor.


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Rick E Davis wrote:
I have not gone through the USS WYOMING (AG-17) folders in 19-LCM, so I don't know what prints they have. That would be a good place to search. NARA II, College Park, MD, 5th floor.


I've gone through that folder, as I had started the HP 1/700 Wyoming. I'll look to see what I've scanned.

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Thanks guys!
Rick, that photo is one of my all-time favorites! It is simply beautiful!
Martin, how did you get ahold of the HP kit? Have you been sitting on it for years? I've been searching for one but no luck. How is the kit? Need a lot of work?


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Jeff Sharp wrote:
Thanks guys!
Rick, that photo is one of my all-time favorites! It is simply beautiful!
Martin, how did you get ahold of the HP kit? Have you been sitting on it for years? I've been searching for one but no luck. How is the kit? Need a lot of work?

I bought it - and started it - eons ago. The hull is actually quite nice. However, after looking a pictures and pulling the plans at NARA II, the forward superstructure is wrong, which led me to put the kit aside until I can figure out how to fix it - which basically means scratch-building the whole thing.

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Jeff,

This seems to be the only other shot I have from the folder. The rest are photos of Arkansas.


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