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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 12:59 am 
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Do not discount the WEM set either. I have both and intend to pick the best bits from the two.
Don't forget, too, that the PE included in the kit are for this particular model. The Artwox deck works really
well, too. Having used the Pontos mast sets on previous projects, they really are works of art and are perfect
if you are going to rig your ship.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 11:05 am 
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Eduard has PE sets for the Trumpeter Dreadnought, but for the 1907 version, so some stuff will be different for 1918.

Both WoodHunter and ArtWox have wood decks for the Trumpeter kit. ArtWox for the 1915 version and WoodHunter for 1907.

Master has barrels for both the main battery and the QF guns.


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Thanks for assistance.

I'm assuming that the majority of the usual components that the PE parts replace are going to be in identical locations, hatch's, ladders, companionways, etc., shouldn't really move that far from their original positions! (Subject to usual research and investigation)

Artwox have released a specific deck set, AW10128, which I have just ordered (from Australia!) together with the barrel kit.

So - question - what would be the best reference books/materials to select, bear in mind this will be OOB + PE.

It's not going to bother me that an some lay expert reckons that the kit/model is completely wrong because the gigglegap is a scale 3 litres too short, or the angle of the foo-foo valve lies 11 light seconds too far to starboard. I'm pretty certain that sadly, very few people are around who have actually seen HMS Dreadnought!

Let me also say that that lay expert is an absolute necessity in this world, and if he wants to cut the front of his kit off because it IS too short, then he has my FULL admiration.
Honestly, without people like that where would all the previous knowledge of everything we have known now be!

Thanks in advance

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Jabberwock wrote:
Thanks for assistance.

I'm assuming that the majority of the usual components that the PE parts replace are going to be in identical locations, hatch's, ladders, companionways, etc., shouldn't really move that far from their original positions! (Subject to usual research and investigation)

Artwox have released a specific deck set, AW10128, which I have just ordered (from Australia!) together with the barrel kit.

So - question - what would be the best reference books/materials to select, bear in mind this will be OOB + PE.

It's not going to bother me that an some lay expert reckons that the kit/model is completely wrong because the gigglegap is a scale 3 litres too short, or the angle of the foo-foo valve lies 11 light seconds too far to starboard. I'm pretty certain that sadly, very few people are around who have actually seen HMS Dreadnought!

Let me also say that that lay expert is an absolute necessity in this world, and if he wants to cut the front of his kit off because it IS too short, then he has my FULL admiration.
Honestly, without people like that where would all the previous knowledge of everything we have known now be!

Thanks in advance

Jabb



Yeah, I think the majority of the difference is in the superstructure, like the area around the searchlight platforms and admirals cabin/walk. Otherwise the railing, coal scuttles, hatches, capstans, etc..should all be the same since Dreadnought wasn't that dramatically refitted before she was paid off and sold to the breakers in 1921.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 1:04 am 
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Regarding the question re. best reference -" Anatomy of the Ship" The Battleship Dreadnought By John Roberts
is a must have. Contains much more info than you will need, but a great read and many photos.


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Thanks Timhan, found a bargain on evilbuy!

Kit is here, looks pretty good. Most other stuff on the way. First Trumpeter I've purchased. Impressed by the 'one bag, one sprue' packaging.


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Question for the experts.

I have now got the AOTS book, fantastic reference, and the Kagero book is on the way, managed to find a reasonably priced one eventually.

So, HMS Dreadnought in 1918 configuration, the anti-torpedo nets and paraphernalia had, by this time, been removed, as witnessed by many photographs, but the one detail that I cannot determine from either photo's or plans is, was the torpedo net shelf and the hull attachment points for the booms removed as well?

The problem is that the overhang of the shelf is quite small and does not show very well on any plans that I have seen (usually from 1907 anyway) and of course the majority of photographs tend to be from a similar eye-level to the shelf and, are from such a distance, that they do not show the area in sufficient detail. Likewise, the boom attachment points, the Pontos kit includes a highly detailed surround to these and if they were still extant as moulded on the Trumpeter hull, I would very much like to include them in the build.

Comments welcome

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Having just broken open my Trumpeter Dreadnought 1918, I see that they've included a fair amount of PE - but there aren't enough railings for the whole ship. In particular, it appears that all of the railings were included EXCEPT for the ones around the main decks.

Which additional railing PE set would be best to address this shortcoming?

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Hope someone can help here.

Having viewed a large number of pictures of this iconic warship, I am struggling to find a photo which gives me an idea as to the colour of the blast-bags (bloomers).

I have seen plenty of pics of contemporary ships showing shades at both ends of the spectrum.

Anyone any ideas, white, natural weathered canvas, light grey, medium or dark grey, black? I'm leaning towards natural canvas.

Also seeking details of the declination scales painted on 'A' and 'X' turrets in 1917. I have a very indistinct photograph. I 'think' that the numbers went from '1' at the front to '16' at the rear
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And a photo of HMAS Australia
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Would they have been similar?

Thanks for your time.

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I'm building the Trumpeter 1/700 Dreadnought 1915 and have run into a mild issue: the kit configuration calls for 27 of the 12-pounder guns, but the Master Model brass barrel set only comes with 26. Is there any historical excuse to omit one of the 12-pdrs from the kit while retaining the (presumably accurate) historical appearance of the rest of the kit?


For reference, here are the instructions for the kit showing where they have the 12-pdrs placed: https://www.1999.co.jp/eng/image/10316148/70/1

4 on the forecastle
8 on the turrets (A turret not fitted with them)
10 in the main secondary gun deck
2 on the conning tower deck
3 at the stern

Edit: as it turns out, John Roberts in AOTS Dreadnought apparently indicates the two A turret 12-pdrs were moved to the stern quarterdeck, where they were joined by two 6-pdr HA guns. The kit includes one different gun for the quarter deck, presumably one of the 6-pdrs. It seems an alternative for me would be to modify one of the kit's 12-pdrs to resemble the 6-pdr - now if only I knew where exactly it was placed...

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there should be 4 guns in that area, 2 on the port side & 2 on the starboard side instead of the current 2 on port side & 1 on starboard side. mirror current port side onto starboard side to get correct locations.


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Okay, but which ones are the 12-pdrs and which are the 6-pdrs? Assuming equal distribution, would the 6-pdrs be the centre two, or the outer two? Would also appreciate any source you may have on the matter.

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