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There are probably plans of Seidlitz in the National Maritime Museum in Greenwich
and probably photos of her there too. You can contact them here
http://www.nmm.ac.uk
I believe much of the German archive was split between the allies after WWII. Their plans are of course builder's drawings so are of course large and expensive when compared to modeller's plans. But they are excellent and the staff at nmm are extremely helpful.
Another place worth trying is for photographs is the Imperial War museum
http://www.iwm.org.uk
They have this photo of Seidlitz
http://www.iwmcollections.org.uk/dbtw-w ... 0&FG=0&QS=

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I was recently looking through the drawings of HMV cardboard model of SMS Derfflinger and found an issue which I can not resolve even using available large-scale photos of the ship. There are a lot of round hatches on the main deck which I assume to be coal - loading hatches, covered with well-drawn "caps". However near those there are round objects of unknown nature (and similar size) which are painted in a way which makes me believe these are light hatches. They look like round "windows" in the deck, with "glass" inserted and some support structure in the shape of three-beam star inside (just like Mercedes sign). I would be extremely grateful to anyone who can explain purpose of these (whether I am right about light hatches or these are, say, opened coal hatches)

Thank you in advance

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ingura, Thank you very much. Sorry it took me so long to get back to the forum - unfortunatey we are not always owners of our time . Your answer makes things perfectly clear.
Since the scale I intend to use is 1/200 the precise nature of metal is not that important. As to the actual use - i will once again look through the photos. I may be rather naive but I believe that HMV had good chances to access some original drawings (if these were not victims of air raids in 44-45).

Once again - thank you for the guidance.

Hello guys,

May I ask you a question ? we could not clearly see the details on the top mast for the SMS Derfflinger ship ,so can anyone tell me which drawing is corret on the picture ?

Thank you so much for your help!

That is a good question. On a photo of Derfflinger I find the foremast has the yard arms angled forward and the mainmast I can not tell due to the angle. A photo of her after Jutland shows clearly angled forward on the foremast, again the mainmast can not be seen.
These yard arms on German BC's appear moveable. Both in an up and down and in a fore and aft direction. Some examples of other German Capital Ships.
Freidrich der Grosse: foremast: angled aft / mainmast: angled forward. another of the same vessel shows them both with no angle to the masts. Clearly this means they were moveable and not always in the same position.
Markgraf: Foremast: angled directly aft. Mainmast: angled slightly aft.
Seydlitz in a fine profile picture: Foremast: angled slightly aft. Mainmast: angled slightly forward.
Various Light Cruisers: many different positions are shown, even on the same ship

So clearly they were moveable and kept in various positons. But it seems common for the foremast to angle back and the mainmast to angle forward.

Bob B.

Here is a question for the model builders from kits. The German Battle Crusisers are my favorite ships. I have not made models in a long time, I used to build kits from the box and add a few minor improvements. I am not experienced with adding the photo etched parts one can buy for boxed kits.

My question is, who make the best boxed kit of any of the German BC's and if you were to build it, who makes the best photo etched parts kit to upgrade the model?
I have seen some 1/350 scale Russian kits for sale that look very fine out of the box and would appear perfect to upgrade with photo etched parts.

Can a well experienced model builder who has done some German BC's recommend a kit and photo etch parts set to put togther for a nice result? I like both 1/700 and 1/350. But since my experience level is now quite low, a larger 1/350 would be easier for me to work on.

Any suggestions?

Bob B.

I would go with Combrig SMS Seydlitz. I have the kit as waterline version I and love it.
Very easy cleanup before assembly.
PE set for ICM`s König from WEM or GMM will be needed. Metal barrels are awailable from Germany.

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Mikko Saarela

Measure twice, cut once. Measuring once could be quicker...

I thought it might be fun to build the SMS Goeben for 2014 US IPMS Nationals (thought I saw that they were having a World War 1 theme prize). Did a little research, and found that NNT had produced a kit a few years back. Went looking for one for sale at my usual sources, and couldn't find one (NNT, FreeTime, Great Models, Dragon, HobbyLink Japan, others). Anyone have suggestions on who might still have a kit in stock? Perhaps it's easier to get in Germany? Does anyone else make a Goeben kit?

Thanks.