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 Post subject: Re: SMS Seydlitz
PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:26 am 
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Great observation! I've merged this thread into the Calling all Imperial German Navy Große Kreuzer fans thread, so we don't lose the information.

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 Post subject: Re: SMS Seydlitz
PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:43 pm 
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mike powell wrote:
First is taken from an aerial view of Seydlitz on Page 22, identified by Steve as "about 1916, prior to the Battle of Jutland"


That picture is clearly post of Jutland because the presence of the life rafts in the turret sides, lack of torpedo nets and most of all the presence of the concrete patch in the starboard side turret (turret B) just next to the right gun, following a penetration on that battle.

I have the Warship Pictorial 47 and I'm really happy to learn that it will be one of the German Battleships too.


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 Post subject: Re: SMS Seydlitz
PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:00 am 
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The cutouts were also added later in the Derflinger. I found it out by viewing pics closely when I build the Flyhawk Derflinger in her 1915 fit out. In my case I had to close the cutouts and straighten the deck.

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 Post subject: Re: SMS Seydlitz
PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2019 12:55 pm 
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Gents:
I'm currently working on a 1:700 Seydlitz.
I've got a question on the air recognition markings.
Pages 22 and 23 of Warship Pictorial 47 make reference to the markings being on both the "Anton" and "Caesar" turrets.
On the https://www.naval-encyclopedia.com/ww1/germany/seydlitz illustration shows the air recognition markings on "Anton" and "Dora". I'm inclined to go with the Warships Illustrated photos, although the "Caesar" marking isn't that evident.
Do any of you know of a definitive work that illustrates the air recognition markings of the High Seas Fleet at Jutland?
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 Post subject: Re: SMS Seydlitz
PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 7:00 pm 
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Tin Can Gunner wrote:
Gents:
I'm currently working on a 1:700 Seydlitz.
I've got a question on the air recognition markings.
Pages 22 and 23 of Warship Pictorial 47 make reference to the markings being on both the "Anton" and "Caesar" turrets.
On the https://www.naval-encyclopedia.com/ww1/germany/seydlitz illustration shows the air recognition markings on "Anton" and "Dora". I'm inclined to go with the Warships Illustrated photos, although the "Caesar" marking isn't that evident.
Do any of you know of a definitive work that illustrates the air recognition markings of the High Seas Fleet at Jutland?


Both are correct. It deppends how you name the turrets. If we go for the British convention of name the bow turrets A-B-C..., the middle turrets P-Q-R... and the aft ones X-Y, the Seydlitz Turrets would be A-P-Q-X-Y with the circles in A and X.
Probably you are counting A-B-C.... to name the turrets so then they would be A(A)-B(P)-C(Q)-D(X)-E(Y) then for you the marking is in D turret.
Then probably Warship Pictorial 47 is using the German convention of naming the turrets in a clockwise or anticlockwise (I dont remember) manner then the turrets are A(A)-B(P or Q)-C(X)-D(Y)-E(Q or P) then the circle is in the C turret (always the superfiring aft one or X).

In Seydlitz the turrets were named Anna, Berta, Cäsar, Dora, Emil


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2019 10:31 am 
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The Warship Pictorial refers to the first turret as "Anton"
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Not somewhere you would immediately think to look for photos of German ships, but there is a veritable treasure trove of photos of the Yavuz (ex Goeben) available online on the U.K. Imperial War Museum Website:
https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/search?query=yavuz&pageSize=90&filters%5BwebCategory%5D%5BPhotographs%5D=on&page=0

The majority seem to have been taken in August 1966 by which time Yavuz was out of commission and berthed at Gölcük. There are plenty of 'walkaround' exterior photos and even some interior ones. Lots of angles and details that should be very useful to modellers.


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