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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 8:58 am 
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Sites:
http://www.hms-vanguard.co.uk
http://www.royal-navy.org
http://www.royalnavalmuseum.org
http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk
http://www.mo-na-ko.net/lode-planky2.htm

Books:
HMS VANGUARD 1944-1960: BRITAIN'S LAST BATTLESHIP by Neil McCart
NELSON TO VANGUARD (WARSHIP DESIGN AND DEVELOPMENT 1923-1945) by D.K. Brown (not a reference book but quite useful)
NAVAL WEAPONS OF WWII by John Campbell (weapon reference, very detailed)

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Models available:
Samek 1/700 waterline (http://www.modelwarships.com/reviews/sh ... review.htm)(http://www.modelwarships.com/reviews/sh ... ildup.html)
Hasegawa 1/450 HMS Vanguard, 1946
HP-Fun/Arrowmodels 1/700 HMS Vanguard
B-Resina 1/700

Models submitted at the gallery:
http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 2:54 pm 
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Weapon information:


- Main guns:8 x 15"(381mm)/42 cal Mk1 mountings 2 foreward 2 aft (4 x 2)
http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNBR_15-42_mk1.htm
http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNBR_15-42_mk1_pics.htm
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- Secondary armament: 16 x 5.25"( (DP)(133mm)/50 cal Mk1 in 8 twin turrets 4 port 4 aft(8 x 2)
http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNBR_525-50_mk1.htm
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- AA guns: 73 x 40mm AA/56 cal Bofors (10 x 6, 1 x 2, 11 x 1)
http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_4cm-56_mk12.htm


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Thanks for that thread! :thumbs_up_1:

Additional kit info:

Pete Hall (Atlantic Models/WEM) has designed a fret for the 1/450 Frog/Hasegawa kit. I guess it's still available on request, and it will greatly enhance the model; I have one, and if I find my camera, I'll post a picture of it.

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It,s my model, HMS Vanguard 1/200 scratch built.


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Thank you Song for the pics. It is really an astonishing model. Great craftmanship and skill... :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:

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Hey all,

Have any of you ever come across detailed drawings of the sextuple 40mm mounts? Even close-up photos would do at this point, it's like nobody ever bothered to document the bloody thing...


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Longshaor wrote:
Hey all,

Have any of you ever come across detailed drawings of the sextuple 40mm mounts? Even close-up photos would do at this point, it's like nobody ever bothered to document the bloody thing...
This is the best I can do.

The following scan is from the book Naval Weapons of World War II by John Campbell
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Anf these scans are from the book HMS VANGUARD by Neil McCart
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Not much of a close up but at least you will get an idea...

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These are from the model of the Royal Naval Museum
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I think these are quite useful...
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Thanks, the images are greatly appreciated. I read someplace that the loading was done by a 32(?) round tray rather than the normal stripper clips. I'm guessing the only way that could work is if the gun was rotated 90 degrees from it's normal top-loading configuration. Why are the Brits so bloody sloppy at documentation????

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Longshaor wrote:
I read someplace that the loading was done by a 32(?) round tray rather than the normal stripper clips. I'm guessing the only way that could work is if the gun was rotated 90 degrees from it's normal top-loading configuration. Why are the Brits so bloody sloppy at documentation????

Glad I 've helped...

Regarding the round tray thing... I guess that the gun stayed top loading... Even modern 40mm guns are top loading. That way you can achieve quicker loading and fewer mechanical parts. I do not think that the 40mm on HMS Vanguard would follow different pattern. The most possible configuration would be that the tray was atop each gun and the cartridges fell to the breach by gravity and the rotation of the tray, powered by the recoil of the gun or something like that.... Something like the Soviet machine gun of WWII with the big round loader (if I remember correctly it was called Degtyarev DP28)

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The Vickers Photographic archive has some wonderful pics of the Mk IX 40mm guns.

http://www.dockmuseum.org.uk/archive/index.asp


Search through all the pages available for naval guns.

They also have many pics of the secondary armament 5.25"( (DP)(133mm)/50 cal Mk1 turrets.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 3:07 pm 
Longshaor wrote:
Hey all,

Have any of you ever come across detailed drawings of the sextuple 40mm mounts? Even close-up photos would do at this point, it's like nobody ever bothered to document the bloody thing...


The photos posted earlier are from the John Brown 1/64th scale builder's model in the Science Museum of London. It has been known to me since childhood, and inspired me to start my own 1/72nd scale modelling project. (Of course I had to choose a scale that left me scratch-building everything.) The photos of this model show as much detail as there is of the Mk IX mountings on the model, which is really only a bare outline sketch.

To endorse what GTDEATH13 posted, you can purchase original Vickers works photographs for 5 pounds sterling each from:

< http://www.dockmuseum.org.uk/archive/index.asp >

Here are the catalogue reference numbers for the Mk IX photographs that I found there:

4964, 4969, 4970, 4971, 4972, 4973, 4974, 4975, 4976, 4977, 4992, 4993, 4994, and 6940

Six of these (4964, 4972, 4973, 4975, 4977, and 4994) include views of the controller's enclosed position (one, 4972, a full interior shot), and provide a fair understanding of its shape and integration into the mounting. The other views give a variety of details of the position and staggering of the three pairs of barrels, the elevating mechanism, the training mechanism, the feed tray storage, the mount platform and railings, and the mounted active feed trays (one per barrel). More than enough information to produce a convincing model, although you have to do some creative work if you want to add a crew to model the position at action stations.

If you go to the website you will see the catalogue illustration photographs, which are both small and low resolution, but may give you sufficient information for your needs without ordering the truly beautiful real photographs.

If you can find a copy of the book:

British Battleships of World War Two. The development and technical history of the Royal Navy's
battleships and battlecruisers from 1911 to 1946.

by Alan Raven and John Roberts

Originally published by Arms and Armour Press in the UK in 1976, but republished since outside the UK.

You will find an absolute wealth of useful material on the Vanguard and the weapons systems installed, although there are no specific drawings of the 40 mm six-barrel Mk IX mounting. However, this is a physically large book, and may not be easy to find.

Yes, I also endorse the recommendation for the book "Naval Weapons of World War Two", by John Campbell, which will give some additional insight into the Mk IX naval mounting. However, bear in mind that this mounting was only ever deployed on HMS Vanguard, so those ten mountings are all there ever were! That's precisely why they were never generally described.

Finally, if you look at some of the other Vickers multi-barrel 40mm naval gun mountings, you will see details of common features from the four- and eight-barrel mounts that were carried over to the six-barrel mount.

I'm not sure exactly what you are looking for, but you may also need to know that each of the ten six-barrel mountings had a separate high-angle fire control director tub associated with it. I have comprehensive documentation on the layout and equipment of this mounting, including detailed plans, should you need them. The ones on the model in the Science Museum are totally lacking in detail. When not manned, a hooped canvas cover was raised over them, looking vaguely like a mushroom or snail shell. You can see one of these very clearly in the photograph stuffed full of waving sailors. Modelling the HACD with the cover up is an easy way to avoid detailing the rather complicated interior of the whole high-angle control system, which has several crew positions.

Good luck finding the information you are looking for.


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Hi Vanguard Fans,

I am sure all of you share my love of the Royal Navy’s last battleship. I would like to let you all know that I have received the Gunnery manual for the 40 mm Bofors R.P. 50 Mk. 6 mounting. (The 6 barrel mounting) I will be studying it carefully and will at some point create a set of mountings to replace the ones on the Samek 1/700 kit as well as the single 40 mm Bofors.

I will keep you all informed about this, and please do not ask for detailed info now, as I will not be able to touch the manual until later this year, I just have too much to do.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 9:05 am 
POX 5593 Mne Colston our Bofors we tray top filled from clips we had USA type 14 or British type 6? gun sights Commander X was still working on them when we did our sea trials.A happy ship good commision with the royal family,Regards all


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Pavel@TheAdmiralty wrote:
Hi Vanguard Fans,

I am sure all of you share my love of the Royal Navy’s last battleship. I would like to let you all know that I have received the Gunnery manual for the 40 mm Bofors R.P. 50 Mk. 6 mounting. (The 6 barrel mounting) I will be studying it carefully and will at some point create a set of mountings to replace the ones on the Samek 1/700 kit as well as the single 40 mm Bofors.

I will keep you all informed about this, and please do not ask for detailed info now, as I will not be able to touch the manual until later this year, I just have too much to do.


Thanks,

Pavel


Pavel, since Samek appears to be a total gonner, any chance of producing more than just Vanguard's AA mounts?


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Yes, I'll second that. Somebody please produce an HMS Vanguard!


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