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PostPosted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 2:12 pm 
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I have the Hasegawa 1/450 kit and the Atlantic Models Photoetch set for it and am researching details before I start building her.
Some questions spring to mind:

Upon Vanguard's completion in 1946 the roofs of the four main battery turrets were all painted a dark colour, presumably dark grey same as the steel decks? All four turret roofs remained in a dark colour during the Royal Tour to South Africa in 1947. At some point subsequent to this the roof of 'Y' Turret seems to have been painted in light grey with the other three remaining in dark colour. 'Y' Turret roof looks to be either the same as the hull colour or perhaps very slightly darker? I have not ascertained exactly when it was changed but it was certainly light grey by January 1951 as seen in the photo on Page 95 of RA Burt's recent book on Vanguard. It was still in light grey as of the Coronation Review in 1953. Was there any particular reason for this? Vanguard was a one-off so it would seem unlikely to be an aerial recognition feature?

Next question is what colour were her anchor chain rubbing strips on the forecastle deck? In the footage of her being towed to the breakers in 1960 they appear to be a milk chocolate brown colour with the surrounding deck plating a medium grey colour:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Db6bgu0gs-g

The grey is probably faded dark deck grey as Vanguard had been in reserve for a few years prior to the film being recorded. Anyone know off-hand if the rubbing strips were the same brown colour when she was in active service? Thanks.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 8:08 am 
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@Mr Church

Snap, I'm just about to start my build using Hasegawa (Frog) plus Atlantic's PE - and doubtless quite a few Shapeways add-ons too. Perhaps we can compare build notes/problems: I'm sure plenty will crop up.

I'm afraid I can't answer the question of when (if) Y turret got a light-grey repaint: Somehow I suspect it didn't and it's a light artefact from the areial shot: none of the "usual" sources show it from closer in. I also suspect the "brown" anchor chain slipways/rubbing strips are only brown because of the dreadful colour distortions of the film stock. But hopefully a proper expert will be along to yea or nay this.

BTW, there are a couple of other small-scale models still available if one trawls the Net: d'Agostini/Atlas 1:1250 prebuilt and the Triang Minic 1:1200 (IIRC) kit but mainly only getttable in assembled form. There's also a rumour (and pirated box art) floating around indicating a Very Fire 1:350 kit coming along in 2020. It'd be good to learn more about this. And also worth a mention is the 1:128 hull plus extras (excluding deck & superstructure) from Fleetscale here in the UK for those with big tables and wallets. One day maybe ...

PS I'm new here after lurking awhile and absorbing lots of useful knowledge: delighted to join such a helpful and expert bunch: some of the build threads are quite breathtaking!


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:18 pm 
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Hi Leo9 apologies for the late reply.

As regards Y Turret's roof I am not sure it is a quirk of the light? If you have R.A. Burt's recent HMS Vanguard book look at the aerial photo on Page 95. Y Turret's roof colour is night and day different to (brighter than) X Turret's. That photo is from January 1951. Same goes for the aerial photo on Page 103 from the Coronation Review in May 1953. Again Y Turret's roof appears night and day brighter than X Turret's. The photos are from different dates and different angles so it is hard to imagine it being a trick of the light on both occasions? Though I don't know definitively, hence my earlier question.

Around (or after?) the time she was placed in reserve it appears all four main turret roofs plus the secondary turret roofs were painted light grey. They certainly appear that way in the video footage of her being sadly towed away for scrap.


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Has anyone seen this?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Ostrich-Hobby-resin-kit-1-700-HMS-Battleship-Vanguard-TN700001/184209311798?hash=item2ae3bb0836:g:dOsAAOSw-exea89W


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2020 1:28 pm 
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No I had not seen that. Some photos of it on Twitter here:
https://twitter.com/OstrichTony/status/1177578764076646401/photo/1


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:30 pm 
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Am continuing research into HMS Vanguard.

One thing I have noticed is that one of her Sextuple 40mm Bofors Mounts was removed in advance of the Royal Tour in 1947 and does not seem to have ever been reinstated. I am not sure what the numbering convention was for these mounts so it is the one (or the empty space rather) as highlighted in red here in an image from 1948 from Wikipedia:
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Also looking through photos of her from when she first proceeded down the River Clyde in May 1946, her on sea trials and her being drydocked in 1946 it appears doubtful that she ever actually carried her full design compliment of Bofors Gun Directors and deck and superstructure mounted 40mm Bofors MkVII Single Mounts. Then her twin 40mm Bofors STAAG Mount was removed from 'B' Turret in advance of the Royal Tour of 1947.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2020 3:18 am 
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An interesting document about H.M.S. Vanguard's radar fit. It also gives some details of her firing trials conducted during her overall trials period in May 1946:
http://www.rnmuseumradarandcommunications2006.org.uk/Radar/pdfs/RADAR%20IN%20HMS%20VANGUARD.pdf

I found it while looking for something else. As is so often the case when researching such things.


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