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PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 8:23 am 
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Does anybody happen to know the size(s) of Carley Floats Vanguard carried?


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 8:32 am 
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I do not but the list of possible floats is (type and box size)

5 3ft 6in x 6 ft 12in
6 3ft 9in x 6ft 6in 13in
7 4ft x 7ft 14in
8 4ft 6in x 7ft 6in 14in
19 5ft x 8ft 14.5in
20 5ft x 10ft 15.5in
14 6ft x 10ft 16in
15 6ft6in x 10ft6in 17in
16 7ft x 12ft 18in
17 8ft x 12ft 19in
18 9ft x 14ft 20in

may be helpful to get the right type from pics?


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 1:36 pm 
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Thanks Evert-Jan. That's a start at least.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 6:47 am 
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These have been added to Shapeways this morning, a huge improvement over the blobs of plastic in the kit.
https://www.shapeways.com/product/Z5Q6F ... arketplace[


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Dave Rowe wrote:
These have been added to Shapeways this morning, a huge improvement over the blobs of plastic in the kit.
https://www.shapeways.com/product/Z5Q6F ... arketplace[


my shopping list grows.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:44 am 
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Same here


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I know that the kit gets a lot of flak for lack of detail, but I tend to look upon it from a different angle in that all of those smooth plastic surfaces are a blank canvas on which I can work, and either show off my skills and thump my chest... or fail miserably.

I will be purchasing PE and perhaps some of the other things linked above as paychecks allow. :)

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Exactly my feelings too. I am also conscious of the costs of the Shapeways parts against the cost of the kit. But it's the only large-ish scale kit available.
Keep watching Shapeways, I have found the twin bofors which is mounted on one of the forward main turrets. The designer needs to rescale it to 1/450 first. That just leaves the single bofors to source.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:07 am 
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Dave Rowe wrote:
Exactly my feelings too. I am also conscious of the costs of the Shapeways parts against the cost of the kit. But it's the only large-ish scale kit available.
Keep watching Shapeways, I have found the twin bofors which is mounted on one of the forward main turrets. The designer needs to rescale it to 1/450 first. That just leaves the single bofors to source.


I can scratch-build a lot of things if I can get decent photos of what they look like, but buying theirs is certainly easier if the budget allows it.

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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2018 11:28 pm 
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I came across several "turned red" transparencies showing USN and RN ships at the Firth of Clyde during September 1952 at the US National Archives on my latest trip. I scanned the images in grayscale since there was no color remaining. I have come across very few images of HMS VANGUARD and frankly these are not perfect, but appear to be the best ones I have scanned.

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There was also this nice view of HMS SWIFTSURE.

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Thanks, Rick, for those photos. But it begs the question why NOT ONE company has produced a kit of
this very important RN ship. (to my knowledge, anyway).


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Timhan wrote:
Thanks, Rick, for those photos. But it begs the question why NOT ONE company has produced a kit of
this very important RN ship. (to my knowledge, anyway).


Too niche. But agree, someone like Combrig is primed to produce this, Im sure theyd sell every single one of them.

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Timhan wrote:
Thanks, Rick, for those photos. But it begs the question why NOT ONE company has produced a kit of
this very important RN ship. (to my knowledge, anyway).



Hasegawa had a HMS Vanguard 1/450 scale plastic kit which was around for quite a few years

Samek Models does/did a 1/700 scale in resin


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Hello

I'm working on drawings for a book (mine). The drawings will be printed at 1/1000 scale. Currently, I am working at the Vanguard. I do not have good references for some details, especially on 5.25 "turrets." I used the KGV's barbette and guns as dimensional reference.

I think that turret is correct in general (for this scale), but I am not happy with the hexagonal shape. I need advice.

I also need the CRBFD number in 1946. In the books by Friedman and Garzke & Dulin, the drawings have nine CRBFDs (in superestructures), but I can not find photos with this number. Most photos of the period show five, or other numbers. For example, there is a photo with two CRBFDs, to bow and port. But none with two to bow and starboard.

Another question is about old Vickers 3-pdr saluting guns. I know that in some moment they are over the big ventilation trunk in forward supestructure.

But in 1946 seems that they were on the 1st level of after superstructure, between two single Bofors. Is this statement correct?

Thanks in advance


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I think MicroMaster did a pretty good job designing the 5.25" turrets for Vanguard:
https://www.shapeways.com/product/TYWWBLR68/1-144-hms-vanguard-dual-purpose-5-25-quot-guns-x4

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Maarten Schönfeld wrote:
I think MicroMaster did a pretty good job designing the 5.25" turrets for Vanguard:
https://www.shapeways.com/product/TYWWBLR68/1-144-hms-vanguard-dual-purpose-5-25-quot-guns-x4

Thanks. I know. It is a beatiful render and one of my suorces, but without dimensions or plans is very dificult to do the correct hexagonal shape after 3D images.

General plans of books are to much summary and contradictory.


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...but without dimensions or plans...


Why don't you give Micro Master a note and ask him for his sources?

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Maarten Schönfeld wrote:
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...but without dimensions or plans...


Why don't you give Micro Master a note and ask him for his sources?

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The "final" drawing for Vanguard. Only six CRBFD and Vickers in the after superstructure.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 3:29 pm 
My understanding was that the 5.25 turrets were larger than those of the KGVs. The KGVs' were considered too cramp for efficient operation of the 5.25s. The smaller turrets were used to keep the displacement with in treaty limits (the same reason why 2 of the 14" were deleted).


Vanguard was designed after the treaty so weight was no longer a consideration.


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