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PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 1:17 pm 
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Hopefully this is the correct sort of post for here and I won't be taken out and shot. :smallsmile:

I'm designing a 1:250 paper model of Inflexible and am undecided about the color scheme to use. First of all, this is an OLD pre dreadnought and most of the photos are not very clear. Then, she was around for quite a while and underwent a major change when the full ship rig was taken down and pole masts installed.

The earliest photos show her with black sides and black on the lower superstructure walls with (presumably) a black stripe above. I have also a photograph (from Burt?) showing her with this color scheme immediately after switching to pole masts. Later on she appears, still with black hull, but with a light grey for lower walls and stripe. Other British battleships had a single blue stripe higher up on the superstructure sides and I and other folks at papermodelers.com have debated and agreed that it is most likely that the lower walls were also blue. I'm attaching photos of both Inflexible and Edinburgh so you can see this light grey on the lower wall sides.

Do any of you have knowledge of H.M. ships coloring schemes for this era? Are we correct that the walls had light blue sides at the base? If so, what kind of blue? ...light blue? ...dark? ...royal blue? Or are we totally incorrect and the wall sides were maybe buff like the masts (although in the photos they seem a different color from the funnels which were pretty certainly buff)?

I have included some screen captures from the rasterized computer model to give an idea of the two proposed color schemes.

I would really appreciate any insight that someone can share.


Carl


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:02 pm 
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I have two colour illustrations of Inflexible. The first is a contemporary Fred Mitchell painting reproduced in "Ships of the Victorian Navy".

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The second is "The Inflexible Anchored at Spithead" by Charles Dixon.

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I guess you have come across these before, but they do illustrate the difficulties of determining the correct colours of these ships. I think the second, although probably not contemporary, is the more accurate

Although I would never recommend using someone else's models as an authoritative reference, Brian King's book "Modelling Late Victorian Battleships" has some nice examples of the livery.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:40 pm 
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Thank you for the illustrated pictures Rick. I'm not certain how for to accept the buff coloring of the first since many of these pictures were done without ever seeing the actual ship. And of course you couldn't be suggesting that I actually think that the grey in the photos represents actual grey. I'm pretty familiar of course with the Victoria photos if you can see the photo presentation that is at this site... although I personally cannot find it at all anywhere at this point. Navigation here is confusing to me.

Buff lower walls has been one of my major considerations but I have been talked out of it. Contrary to the second color picture of Inflexible I do not actually have any photos of the ship with that coloring... that is, white superstructure walls with a single blue stripe. This configuration is other wise common but I'm forced to choose between either the black or something lighter (but not white) on the lower wall sides.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 3:31 am 
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Hey Carl

I shall do some digging in my aper files

JOHN HAYNES some years ago built a very fine model of Inflexible in 1/96-- I believe it now resides in the Greenwich NMM collection-- I shall dig and scan....

meanwhile-- I recently posted a photograph of 1/384 Inflexible by John Prothero Thomas in this thread:

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a tiny image of the Haynes model:

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Its a US retailer of plans--inc John Haneys plan at 1/96 $ 27.00
https://sslrelay.com/s119033911.oneando ... shopscript

Will be in touch soon

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Jim, your illustrations reinforce what I said in my earlier post about using other peoples' models as a reference. They are both undoubtably very fine models, but the differences between their liveries is marked, although I would agree that they could both be correct, in that they may show the ship at different periods of its existence.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 8:41 am 
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>>I would agree that they could both be correct, in that they may show the ship at different periods of its existence.<<

Yup-- I believe that to be the case also...-- I am going to have to do some digging now.

Although HMS Victoria did carry a blue band--I do not believe the band to be as deep as Carl suggests in his render...

Looking forward to seeing this develop!

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Are there plans for this ship available?

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 1:53 pm 
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Yes, the plans of John Haynes can be purchased if you follow the link that Jim gives up above.

I'm going to test the blue under white sides to see what I think. Most photos of Inflexible under pole masts show her in the configuration with shaded lower sides under the stripe.

[edit] I'm attaching a few more rendered images of Inflexible with buff/white sides and a darker blue...


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