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PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2023 11:43 am 
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For towed arrays.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2023 3:23 pm 
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As Flinger747 noted, these are the hull openings for the NIXIE towed array equipment that was added in the 1980s overhaul. All 4 IOWAs were so equipped.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2023 3:38 pm 
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As a SONAR techie...I'll observe that NIXIE is a torpedo decoy system that uses a towed body.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2023 3:45 pm 
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As Flinger747 noted, these are the hull openings for the NIXIE towed array equipment that was added in the 1980s overhaul. All 4 IOWAs were so equipped.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2023 4:47 pm 
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A couple of clarifications:

These are shell bolsters that are designed to reenforce the hull around the openings and to provide a rounded surface to prevent cable chaffing.

USS Iowa lacks these bolsters making it easy to identify from the stern.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2023 8:31 am 
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The other side of these openings is an interesting space. On Iowa it is very cramped, with a very low overhead. The entire volume of the space being filled by the equipment to play out the Nixie hardware and corresponding cables. Some photographs of the space can be found in John Miano’s first volume on the Iowa class ships.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2023 12:38 pm 
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Someone, Maybe "BJ Slade", had posted some photos in this compartment, perhaps in this thread a year or more ago.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2023 9:08 am 
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Folks,

Yahoo has started blocking access to some accounts unless you pay for "premium" support. I am blocked out of my yahoo account unless I pay ransom.

Therefore I have switched to Proton. Same address @proton.me


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2023 2:12 pm 
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The next volume on the Iowa class looks like it will be on the exterior of the hull. In the process of research I have been mapping out all the plating locations and doing 3D models. Hopefully, after this is out, some kit manufacturer will do an Iowa-class hull that is remotely close to accurate.

One of the things I have discovered is that to make laps in the hull plating visible I have to blow up to about 1:48 scale. At 1:192 scale the laps are effectively indistinguishable from smooth.

Lapping is only done aft of the bow, at the stern, and below the water line. Even on the real ships you have to get pretty close to see much of the strake detail.

There is no lapping within strakes (but this has not stopped kits from including them). Unless you get close enough to see places where the plate thickness changes, plate butts are not visible (except for the upper two strakes that have external butt plates). Even there, the butt plates are 0.4" thick which is 1/1000" in 350 scale.

I am puzzled why in some recent kits, they have (a) gone to such effort to try to show hull plating that is not visible and (b) represent the plating inaccurately.

While I am on a roll, the mistake the old Tamiya kit made is it depicted the Iowas with skegs. The Iowas do not have skegs (in spite of what many book say). A skeg is an extension of the keel for mounting a rudder. Sometimes one can broaden that to have two skegs that are not extensions of the keel. You can look at any of the cross sections in the booklets of general plans and see that the TWIN KEELS of the Iowas are not extensions from the hull. They are an integral part of the hull form. There is no symmetry between the tunnel and the outer edge of the twin keels.

When Tamiya made that misteak. they did not have access to the data we have now. However, it looks like every kit made since has copied the Tamiya kit to some degree in this area (dispensing with the odd shaft outlets).

I also mention there should be a keel visible within the tunnel.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2023 5:21 pm 
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BJS,

Duly noted - and correct, I might add! It amazes me that these kit companies (who do have resources available to them) only produce what they "think" the hobby crowd needs, not what could be an accurate kit.

On another note (but similar in topic) is the weathering many ship modelers seem to think they need to apply - and most of it IMHO is worthless. This is especially true when it comes to carrier aircraft - they weather planes that look like they came out of the swamp in RETURN OF THE JEDI - and it simply isn't so. In actuality, aircraft are kept quite clean on carrier decks, as this facilitates a clean air stream and thus less fuel spent in flight. This is one of the reasons I don't use weathering on my models, and more importantly - because I've never learned how to apply it correctly.

Will be looking fwd to seeing Vol. 3 of the BIG JAY Trilogy!!! Your new email is also duly recorded, etc.

Hank

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2023 1:11 am 
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The short keel in the aft tunnel is to support the weight of turret three as far as I know. I wonder what the reason was for Trumpy to totally miss the aft profiles? To add some volume for people wanting to RC? I don't think it's appreciated how much design goes into a long hull to deal with flexing in a seaway!

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2023 8:01 am 
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Here is a cross section from the booklet of general plans that you can find all over the internet. This is not a skeg and kits do not come close to this form.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2023 1:36 pm 
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I am working on a 1/700 BB-62 in her Vietnam guise. I have a couple different PE sets, including the GMM NJ-specific set, but for some reason it does not include the after mast, while the GMM 1/350 does.

I am therefore in want of a good plan of that mast, the one mounted on the after stack. I have several reference books and found pictures online, but it's a delicate and complex structure and trying to create it by "guesstimation" is not efficient nor effective. Does anyone have a good reference? Better yet, have I missed a PE set that includes it?

Thank you to the other IOWA fans out there.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2023 3:45 pm 
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DavidP wrote:
talk to Model Monkey if he can print his 1/350 scale version into 1/700 scale.
https://www.model-monkey.com/product-pa ... -wisconsin
https://www.model-monkey.com/


I didn't see that on the MM site, thank you for the pointer!


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2023 8:50 pm 
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I didn't see that on the MM site, thank you for the pointer!


Joe,

I assisted Model Monkey in developing that part by providing the scaled 2D CAD files for his use. I had already built that mast for my 1/200 scale USS NEW JERSEY but in doing so, learned a lot about the details of that modification done in 1967. MM does NOT sell that part on his website, but offers it thru his presence on Shapeways. Link - https://www.model-monkey.com/battleships-350?page=3

Here are a couple photos of my model that might be of interest to you -
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I know that 1/700 scale is a rather small scale to add very minute details, but a decent model of Big Jay in 1968 can be accomplished. I hope you do a build log as I'd like to follow your construction. At the time I built my model (2012-2019) I scratchbuilt everything I needed and also bought various 3D printed parts from MM that I couldn't do myself at the time. I've now been doing 3D design/printing for almost 3 years and am contemplating replacement of a few parts that I've now printed that are of higher quality & detail than my originals or the kit originals. FYI - the kit aircraft crane is more than likely NOT correct. Just one part out of many...

Here is a link to the Gallery page for my 1/200 USS NEW JERSEY - http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... /index.htm. I served in NEW JERSEY from Sept 68 - Dec. 69.

Hope this helps,

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2023 4:25 pm 
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I'll take pictures of the current state to document the build. I'm using a Fujimi 1/700, not the most accurate, and have been reworking many parts as I go. I'm going to get replacements for the main and secondary mounts, I have multiple PE sets, and have a couple different helos. Creating the "NEW JERSEY INTERNATIONAL" sign will be a project!

I did check with Model Monkey, they aren't able to cast that finely. So I'll start with the kit mast and find all the pictures and diagrams I can to make the Vietnam-specific configuration. Fortunately the upper "tree" part is essentially 2 dimensional.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2023 7:16 pm 
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If the kit came with the 4 leg main mast, then you only need to replace the mast above the lower platform. I had a modeler in The Netherlands create my "NEW JERSEY INTERNATIONAL" decal for me; he's no longer able to make those items.

Save yourself the time on helicopters - we had none stationed aboard; the only aviation personnel were fuel & flight deck personnel.

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USS NEW JERSEY (BB-62) 67-69 1:200
USN Sloop/Ship PEACOCK (1813) 1:48
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DavidP wrote:
Joe, maybe MM can send you a copy of the drawing of the mast.


Hi David,
I have drawings from multiple books, and it is relatively two-dimensional, so I'll buy brass wire and work it out.
Thanks for the suggestions!

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:28 pm 
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Two items:

Yahoo has locked me out of my account (no I did not forget a password) that I have used for decades. My email is the same as it was now @proton.me

I have created a Change.org petition to urge the navy to save the spare parts and plans it has for the Iowa-class. Please sign if interested

https://chng.it/XGXH6vctzC


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:06 pm 
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BJS -

Just signed & fwd'd to my group here in NC - hopefully a few of them will also sign. Great idea, this stuff needs preservation!!!

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Finished:
USS NEW JERSEY (BB-62) 67-69 1:200
USN Sloop/Ship PEACOCK (1813) 1:48
ROYAL CAROLINE (1748) 1:47
AVS (1768) 1:48


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