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PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2019 11:46 am 
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Concerning Tirpitz in Fall '43, while at Altafjord, Norway. How many colors were used in this splinter pattern camo? : https://www.worldwarphotos.info/gallery ... -norway-7/
I can tell from BW photos that each end of the hull was Schnellboot Weiss, but were the splinters done in only Hellgrau and a darker gray, or was there a third shade involved (maybe more Schnellboot Weiss)? Also, did the capital ships (Tirpitz and Scharnhorst, in this case) sport deck swastikas at Altafjord, or only during operations like Sizilien?
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can any tell me if the prop guards on Bismarck were folded flat after leaving port?


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thanks, you may also be able to answer another question. were the bow and stern jackstaffs removed or folded down. all photo's of Bismarck show them gone after he left Norway but looking at photo's they appear to be able to fold.


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Concerning Tirpitz in Fall '43, while at Altafjord, Norway. How many colors were used in this splinter pattern camo? : https://www.worldwarphotos.info/gallery ... -norway-7/
I can tell from BW photos that each end of the hull was Schnellboot Weiss, but were the splinters done in only Hellgrau and a darker gray, or was there a third shade involved (maybe more Schnellboot Weiss)? Also, did the capital ships (Tirpitz and Scharnhorst, in this case) sport deck swastikas at Altafjord, or only during operations like Sizilien?
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For late 43 into 44, it looks like while painted in this scheme Tirpitz, only wore two colors - not counting the bow and stern - Hellgrau and Dunkelgrau.

Can't answer the question of the deck markings.

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thanks, you may also be able to answer another question. were the bow and stern jackstaffs removed or folded down. all photo's of Bismarck show them gone after he left Norway but looking at photo's they appear to be able to fold.


Most likely both were removed.
Both interfered with the ship-to-ship oiling procedure and because Bismarck was the supplying ship the stern flagstaff was removed first. (The supplying ship towing the receiving ship was the standard procedure. However, it was also practised with reversed order at the end of the exercises with Prinz Eugen, because the Prinz could speed up faster.) There are a lot of pictures without flagstaff, but with jackstaff installed. The stern flagstaff wasn't necessary anyway when the ensign was flown on the main mast. Both were (re)installed for Hitler's visit for at least one day and removed again before "Rheinübung".


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MartinJQuinn wrote:
For late 43 into 44, it looks like while painted in this scheme Tirpitz, only wore two colors - not counting the bow and stern - Hellgrau and Dunkelgrau.

Can't answer the question of the deck markings.

This is why I asked; even in the link you provided there is clearly 3 colors on the hull - bow and stern: Schnellboot Weiss (?); central hull: Hellgrau and Dunkelgrau splinters, with some narrow wedges of a lighter color - Schnellboot Weiss again?


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There were, as far as I know at least, three colours on that scheme, including the white. The other two colours were dark blue/grey and light blue/grey, both being available at least from Sovereign Colour Coats. This scheme was in place from mid '43 to March '44, but seemed to have some slight variations in this period. I found both a light colour and the dark blue/grey on the funnel in black and white photos supposedly dating from that period. There also appeared to dark grey blotches applied to the deck from between the end of Operation Sizilien in early September '43 and the mini submarine attack in late September '43, at least from photos in the Warship Pictorial #26 book. That book is still readily available and has a great selection of period black and white photos.

That same book contains very clear photos of the Swastika markings on the deck during Operation Sizilien and when laid up in fjords earlier in '43 (at least if the captioned dates are correct as there was not enough of the hull showing to determine which scheme was being carried). I wasn't able to find any confirming the markings whilst in fjords later in September. I assume the markings were painted whilst the Tirpitz was at anchor, so I guess either with or without the markings could be argued. Unfortunately most photos were taken at a shallow angle from either other ships or the shore, so it is hard to be absolutely definitive.

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can any one tell me what colour the bitts and bollards were on Bismarck may 1941.


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I have a question about Bismarck and depth charge racks.

The kit has them (on the stern), the Pontos detail set deletes them entirely. I can't find any photo evidence for/against them. Anybody know the truth of the matter?


Interestingly, I recall seeing footage from the Cameron expedition in which what appears to be water bombs are located on the seafloor very close to the hull. I think they’re pretty close to the rudders. I could be wrong of course as I am recalling this from memory (and I had a bit too much eggnog last night).

I recall seeing photos of these devices aboard Prinz Eugen during Rheinubung. In some photos the barrels are present and others they are not. No idea if they were jettisoned before the battle, used during the battle (I have no idea why they would do that) or if they were taken below and stowed. It makes me wonder if there was some sort of standard protocol for the devices when going into an imminent surface battle. Does anyone know?

The reason I am interested in this because I got a model of the Beastie (Bismarck) for Christmas. The horror! Just kidding! As the Hood guy I know that you can’t have one without the other (Yin Yang, etc.). I intend to have a “book-end” display with Hood to one side and the Beastie on the other. I want them to be accurate, but of course, I am going to opt to leave the railing up rather than down…even though it’s more historically accurate to have the railing down during the battle, it just looks “weird” on a model (IMHO).

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Stein Gildberg wrote:
This is one of the last pictures of Bismarck leaving the Grimstadfjord in Norway, on his way to meet up with Prinz Eugen for their Atlantic operation, taken in the afternoon of May 21th. 1941.
Source: Facebook Norway.

For modellers, it should be noted:
No bow anchor?
The dark? upper tip of the smoke-stack (could perhaps be glare from the sun, but compared to other photos, it seems there is a portion of oily, black deposits of burnt fuel?).
The fresh paint covering the bl/wh stripes
The shape and deptht of the false bow-wawe as well of the depth of the hull itself.
The seemingly quite low contrast between the dark bow and the rest of the hull (possible influence of photographic
work).
Etc

Interesting photo. Has it been authenticated?

Speaking of dark areas, has anyone ever figured out what the dark smudge/splotch on the starboard side of the hull (roughly abreast turm ‘Caesar’) was? I definitely see it in Grimstadfjord photos and I think I see it in Denmark Strait photos. I don’t recall seeing it at the wreck though.

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It‘s an oil splotch.


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Herr Nilsson wrote:
It‘s an oil splotch.

Many thanks. Now to decide if I want to add it to my Denmark Strait themed model or not (I’m on the fence). Of course, if I add those smudges, then I should really reconsider the use of photoetch safety rails as well (not having them along the hull and near the main turrets as they would’ve been collapsed). I’m just concerned it would look weird having splotches and no rails hull rails.

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Hello everybody,

in order to finish some Bismarck and Tirpitz models, I am looking for somebody that does have already realized the gratings ( water intakes ) for the Bismarck and the Tirpitz, ... hopefully with the precise drawings needed for the photo etched process.

I they are already in scale 1/100 it will be the best.

Thanks in advance, Antonio Bonomi


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Hi, I’m currently working on my 1/350 Revel version of the Bismarck, but I’m stuck!
Does anyone have the color scheme for the float planes, especially the underside, was it white, light grey or the light blue, and where all the planes the same?
Any help would be awesome!

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WEM/Sovereign Hobbies says RLM 65 Hellblau ("light blue") for the undersides, which seems to be fairly well-accepted.

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Can somemone tell me what modification on the bismarck weren't done before her departure beise the rear SL-8?
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Just curious, but does anyone know the height of Bismarck's waterline bootstripe as sunk? I mean the general height of the big beastie's black/dark grey stripe (I am aware that portions of her Baltic and Rheinubung paint protruded down into the stripe). Many thanks in advance.

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FW_Allen wrote:
Just curious, but does anyone know the height of Bismarck's waterline bootstripe as sunk? I mean the general height of the big beastie's black/dark grey stripe (I am aware that portions of her Baltic and Rheinubung paint protruded down into the stripe). Many thanks in advance.


The following discussion claims 2 meters wide

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thebunkerparodie wrote:
Can somemone tell me what modification on the bismarck weren't done before her departure beise the rear SL-8?
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She left with a mixture of 10.5cm mounts, when she certainly was intended to have all of the newer versions.


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