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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 12:34 am 
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Does anyone think this may be Churchill in foreground (with Hood in background)?

Or?


Here's a much higher-rez version in case it helps: https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/2048/cpsp ... 960653.jpg

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Timmy C wrote:
Here's a much higher-rez version in case it helps: https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/2048/cpsp ... 960653.jpg


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 Post subject: Re: HMS Hood anniversary
PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 2:24 am 
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KevinD wrote:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-45270946


I have a feeling Adm Wilcocks was misquoted in this article, saying that Hood was the "largest" British warship until the QE carriers. She was the "longest" at 860 f. overall , but Vanguard superseded her as the largest until the QE's. I doubt the Admiral would have made that mistake!

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 2:51 am 
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Not sure this is Churchill. I do not recall his quasi-naval uniform ever carrying "scrambled egg" and officer's cap badge on the cap.

HOOD is in a relatively early configuration.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 3:31 am 
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tjstoneman wrote:
Not sure this is Churchill. I do not recall his quasi-naval uniform ever carrying "scrambled egg" and officer's cap badge on the cap. HOOD is in a relatively early configuration.


Interesting observation re 'Churchill'! Then whom could it be I wonder?

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Anybody have an idea what the underside of the shelter deck was painted? Same color as metal deck? Help appreciated.

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I can't comment on RN practice, but a typical USN scheme was to paint overhanging surfaces white. The thinking was to reduce the shadow effect. Good question!


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2018 1:47 am 
Could that be Admiral Dudley Pound?


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 7:42 pm 
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Can anyone identify part E32 as shown on page 14 of the Trumpeter instructions? It seems to be designated as a signal tube in AOS, but I don't have a clue as to what it actually looks like. Any help appreciated.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:26 am 
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A newby here, just about to start Trumpys 1350 !!! Anyway Tinham has asked about tying off flag ropes/hoists (?) next to flag lockers. I`ve looked at models and the films of Hood. On models they all seem to be tied (fixed) to the back of the lockers which seems to make them difficult or impossible to work with me. The films show 3 or 4 small cleats on the top of the splinter rail next to the lockers . That seems the obvious place to me but unfortunately the films don`t actually show them in use. Any ideas anyone?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 4:17 am 
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Hi All

Hi Mr Haynes, if you mean the war signal stations on the shelter deck then there are lots of images of them on the Hood Association website that will give you a good idea of what they looked like (something similar to the noisy end of a trumpet with a hinged lid on top).

Hi slowhand, I'm not too sure, there are cleats built into the flag locker and the rails surrounding, I do know that there are a couple of films of Hood on You Tube (I can't remember the name of them sorry, Hood in colour and with the fleet or something similar?) which show flags being raised, one in colour and one in black and white, sorry I can't be of more help,

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:41 am 
Hi Cag
Thanks for that. I've looked at the films you mention and annoyingly can see the cleats on the shields but no one uses them!! ( although one LOOKS as though something might be attached to it). I've looked at EJFs wonderful site and found loads of other really useful stuff, but no mention on there either as far as I can see, although he goes into the flag lockers in detail!
Ah well, a long way to go before get to them so maybe an answer will emerge...otherwise will take a punt!.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:23 am 
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Hi All,

Hi slowhand, I might have found the b/w film, try You Tube film "Our Navy in Wartime" silent newsreel periscope film no 73622.

It shows Hood and her flagdeck about 4 minutes 13 in and from then onwards for a while, there appear to be cleats on top of the flag deck shield (the metal wall that goes around the outside deckedge) with the signal halyard ropes attached to them at times.

Hope that helps
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:20 pm 
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Thank you...!

There is a LOT of detail on Hood in this film... most of which adds further to my research on my 200 scale Hood... :thumbs_up_1:

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 4:37 am 
Hi Cag
Thanks for that. Yes the cleats are quite clear and it looks like at least one halyard attached so I guess that is what happened. Now all I`ve got to do is try to make some sort of cleat and attach at least three of them each side, at 1:350!!!
Cheers and i look forward to your help on all my subsequent questions!
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Hi All

You're both welcome, I'll try to help if I can but Im by no means a Hood expert, EJ Foeth is your man there!

There is a good shot of the air defence position in the film which shows that the central raised compass position depicted on most model instructions are incorrect.

The compass in fact was positioned off centre close to the front forward screen with air look outs to either side and the two air defence target bearing sights at either side of the air defence position as seen in images (you can also just make out an aircraft identification poster on the front screen too).

There was a small central electrical switch box screen which from above looks like an elongated H shape, (the horizontal bar of the H running longitudinally front to back in the centre of the position) with two more air lookouts on either side toward the rear, no raised compass platform whatsoever.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:20 am 
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Having asked the the question re. the method used to operate the flag lowering and raising, i am yet to see
any definitive answer. My additional question re. the helm signals (port cones and starboard ball) are answered
in the AOTS book.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:41 am 
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Right, I took a look of what I have but the flag locker location after the refit isn't well captured (the number of pics that follow seem to contradict that..)

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This pic of HMS Prince of Wales shows that a series of answering funnels are placed near the flag lockers.

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Pre-refit shots show these funnels on HMS Hood as well.

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The plans after the refit do not show these funnels, however, not all plans show all details equally well.

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When I look closely at this IWN shot I do notice several halyards and they seem to be going to location next to the flag lockers.

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Stills from various movies show some cleats and halyards not going to the flag lockers, but I cannot see the funnels either, or where these halyards start except for that one colour image.

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But even HMS Prince of Wales it seems to be fairly straightforward, simply a few cleats. (And only one funnel, they did not follow the builders plans). So I suppose cleats next to the lockers is it. Perhaps they even tied them to the railing for the inner lockers, similar to this close-up from HMS Sheffield (left tied, right showing a cleat).

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:23 pm 
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Does anyone know if Hood’s very tall main topmast carried early in her life to support long wavelength radio aerials would be carried while at sea, or only in port?

I ask because I know very tall masts are subject to commend this stress when the ship rolls heavily.

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Interesting photos, EJ. I guess it will all boil down to how each builder interprets the answer. Am still not sure
how to proceed, (completed all the rigging bar the signal halyards), so i might cheat and wait for others to show
how they overcome this question !!.


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