We had a thread in main erupt into an excellent exchange on Hood so I copied over the pertinent posts from the
WHere are the Hood Reviews thread to save them for future readers.
Post on!
maxim wrote:
There is an additional review:
HMS Hood HMS Hood Upgrade Set But I wrote it only in German. Sorry.
But my impression is that the kit is very good. At some points the kit is more correct than the drawings by Thomas Schmid on the hmshood.com site (the splitter shields around the after 4 in twin).
The hull has too much freeboard, if built as waterline kit (around 4 mm), but the hull is correct, if the full hull version is built. The only problem is where the division of the two parts is: it is not at the position of the waterline in deep condition of 1941.
There is no lower border of the armour on the hull. This is correct at the position of the anti torpedo bulge, but probably not in front and after the bulge.
The position of the Typ 279 M radar antenna is wrong: it's in front of the mast, but the drawings show, that it is fixed behind the mast. But perhaps also drawings are wrong again. This is easy to correct.
The AA guns could be improved, especially the 1.27 cm MGs, which have no shields and no magazines. Also the boats are lacking detail.
EJ Foeth wrote:
Well, it seems they completely frelled up the main turrets, the roof is all wrong. The boats are just afwul and all wrong. Unfortunately, getting new boats will be quite difficult to say the least.
EJ Foeth wrote:
I also noticed that you'd better buy Steve Nuttall's barrels, they are infinitely better. The 15" barrel is really way off.
Have a look:
Right:
[img]http://www.warshipmodels.com/~users/Foeth/barrels2.jpg[/img]
Wrong:
Ah well, link doesn't work, but it's from the above German review site
maxim wrote:
EJ Foeth wrote:
Well, it seems they completely frelled up the main turrets, the roof is all wrong. The boats are just afwul and all wrong. Unfortunately, getting new boats will be quite difficult to say the least.
On which sources your statement is based?
EJ Foeth wrote:
Anatomy Of The Ship: HMS Hood by Roberts and many many photographs....
maxim wrote:
EJ Foeth wrote:
Anatomy Of The Ship: HMS Hood by Roberts and many many photographs....
Ok. I asked, because some of the drawings, which I found, had faults. E.g. the old Profile of Hood has the UP deck totally wrong and also the drawings by Thomas Schmid on hmshood.com have faults.
The barrels of Steve Nuttall look really much better.
What is wrong with the roof of the 38,1 cm turrets? Could you post a drawing or photo, which show the difference?
EJ Foeth wrote:
The roof consists of three plates witha few bolts:
[img]http://www.ontheslipway.com/pictures/new/tips_mainturrets/tips_hoodmainturret06.jpg[/img]
so without those ridges. The 3D by Schmidt has these ridges as well.
Most drawings have a few flaws to a lot. BTW, could you post the correct UP deck or source? I think it's also wrong in the AOTS volume as well.
David Gatt wrote:
I think you need to do more research regarding the top of your turrets as they do have a step down on them. I would agree that the step down on the trunpy Hood looks a bit deep but it is there. I've placed 5 pictures of it on my downloads page, just head here.
http://idisk.mac.com/davidgatt-Public?view=webmaxim wrote:
EJ Foeth wrote:
The roof consists of three plates witha few bolts:
so without those ridges. The 3D by Schmidt has these ridges as well.
Ok. I see. This fault is similar to the exaggerated hull "plates" at the hull of Trumpeter, which are thicker than the armour. But this is an exaggeration - and not a total wrong roof.
EJ Foeth wrote:
BTW, could you post the correct UP deck or source? I think it's also wrong in the AOTS volume as well.
I compared the drawings of Schmidt (see
here) with the kit and the original. The drawings and the kit appear to be correct, except that the drawings are wrong with the splitter shields around the aft 4 in twin, whereas the kit is correct. You could see this splitter shields behind the pom pom:
EJ Foeth wrote:
Ah ok, that's the aft 4" gun platform, I thought you meant the UP launcher platform on B-turret. The aft 4" gun emplacement is a recent discovery which the HMS Hood site managed to convey to Trumpeter, but barely. The kit is not entirely correct. WEM will provide a better emplacement (Not the one on their old etchings, they promised to correct their original design).
This is already an old pic, but it should look like this:
[img]http://www.warshipmodels.com/~users/Foeth/hoodaft4in.jpg[/img]
Note that in this pic I started filling up the windows in the aft searchlight platform. Trumpeter also added an open version, but those windows were covered with canvas.
maxim wrote:
David Gatt wrote:
I think you need to do more research regarding the top of your turrets as they do have a step down on them. I would agree that the step down on the trunpy Hood looks a bit deep but it is there. I've placed 5 pictures of it on my downloads page, just head here.<http://idisk.mac.com/davidgatt-Public?view=web>
Could it be, that the turret roof consists of the three plates? The front and the after plate are riveted on the middle one, which are therefore lower than the other two? Trumpeter hat the rivets on additional "plate", which are higher than the roof plates.
EJ Foeth wrote:
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I think you need to do more research regarding the top of your turrets as they do have a step down on them.
It's not too visible on that particular picture, but I have the correct step in the roofs. The plates are overlapping. The AOTS HMS Hood shows ths beautifully in a side drawing.
http://ontheslipway.hamershof.com/index.jsp?ID=14&CID=7[img]http://www.ontheslipway.com/pictures/new/tips_mainturrets/tips_hoodmainturret03.jpg[/img]
maxim wrote:
EJ Foeth wrote:
Ah ok, that's the aft 4" gun platform, I thought you meant the UP launcher platform on B-turret. The aft 4" gun emplacement is a recent discovery which the HMS Hood site managed to convey to Trumpeter, but barely. The kit is not entirely correct. WEM will provide a better emplacement.
Hmm, the kit looks very similar to your photo of this model.
I called this deck "UP deck", because Trumpeter called it that way. I meant the first deck of the superstructure.
EJ Foeth wrote:
It does, I heard the HMS Hood site comment they didn't exactly like the curvature on the bulkheads.
Here is a good view of Trumpeters turret and what's wrong with it:
[img]http://www.warshipmodels.com/~users/Foeth/hoodturret.jpg[/img]
Some of it can be corrected, but the ridges are really difficult to solve if you want to retain the bolts. They basically ruined it.
David Gatt wrote:
I've posted some more 3D art work of the turrets. They look good. Yes there is some problem with the shape of the aft 4 inch gun platform, Trumpy is close to being correct, there is some comment on the Hood association page.
EJ Foeth wrote:
I appreciate your feedback, but you cannot use Schmidt's 3D model as a source, it is inaccurate.
David Gatt wrote:
EJ Foeth wrote:
[quote]I think you need to do more research regarding the top of your turrets as they do have a step down on them.
It's not too visible on that particular picture, but I have the correct step in the roofs. The plates are overlapping. The AOTS HMS Hood shows ths beautifully in a side drawing.
http://ontheslipway.hamershof.com/index.jsp?ID=14&CID=7[img]http://www.ontheslipway.com/pictures/new/tips_mainturrets/tips_hoodmainturret03.jpg[/img]
Cool the images on the link look better.
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David Gatt wrote:
EJ Foeth wrote:
I appreciate your feedback, but you cannot use Schmidt's 3D model as a source, it is inaccurate.
Yes I agree, my apologies. I've just found a photo in The Battlecruiser HMS Hood an illustrated Biography by Bruce Taylor, which shows some sort of ridging along the side of the Turret. The photo is on page 75. You can see it in Z turret.
I agree with you that the front edges of the Trumpy turret are too sharp, and yes the viewing detail is missing.
if you don't have this book, I can scan the image and post it up on my site.
EJ Foeth wrote:
I have the book, it has many interesting pictures if you want to build a Hood model. I'll look it up tonight (You could post it if other members are interested?) Btw: Z-turret? There's only X and Y
You probably mean the remnants of the aircraft launching system that was planned on top of the X turret (#3) but abandoned (IIRC). WEM * almost* managed to get in right this time! Looks a bit like this:
[img]http://www.warshipmodels.com/~users/Foeth/barrels5.jpg[/img]
Note that there should be one more "square with cross" extending the turret, but the cat knocked the turret of the model! Still have to repair that one.... My version is actually too thick, an etched part does look better.
David Gatt wrote: