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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:48 am 
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What do you guy think of the 2nd edition of the anatomy of the ship on the yamato? For me,I think it's good but it seem like the number of torpedo that hit the ship on her final mission varry a lot and regarding it's final AA configuration,I've found this pic and I somewhat have problem regarding this one :
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http://www.battleshipyamato.com/index.a ... ?i=197&s=1
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Got to wonder why the final AA configuration varry this much between historian


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The pictures you posted above represent the most recent reconstruction of Yamato's final deck AA configuration, based on surveys of the wreck. They are the most accurate, in my opinion.

The key is the second pair of AA machine gun nests aft of Turret #3 on the flight deck. Those are missing on all reconstructions done before a detailed survey of the wreck discovered them 15-20 years ago.

About the same time the discovery of a B-29 surveillance photo taken at 1200 Noon on April 6, 1945 also helped to shed light on the final AA set up.

Then there is this March 1945 photo of Yamato being bombed:


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Here is the B-29 photo from April 6, 1945 - you can see the shadow of the AA mounts if you look carefully:


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didn't thought you were still active,great job on your yamato model by the way (also,would a "armor upgraded" yamato be different from the real one?), thanks for answer and floating sandbox got a nice yamato model to sink too (I enjoy putting lot's of bomb on it just for fun or sometimes drop a tsunami on him)


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and another variation (is it or they are tons of difference between april 1945 yamato)


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thebunkerparodie wrote:
and another variation (is it or they are tons of difference between april 1945 yamato)


Hi - If you don't mind - please delete the GIANT photo you just dropped into your post because only about 20% is visible on the screen (you need to attach it using the command below the text box).

Also - it is INACCURATE. I actually fixed this photo ages ago (for my own reference), but have no idea where it is now so I can't upload it. The deck configurations on the two prior images upthread are CORRECT. (It is no longer a matter of conjecture - it is the final Japanese analysis. The annoyingly GIANT photo you dropped into your post is obsolete and should not be spread around because it confuses people).

Sorry if I am a bit cranky about this, but I have been trying for over 10 years to stamp out the older, inaccurate diagrams on this board. :big_grin:

Thanks.

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got to wonder why are they so much AA variation for the april 1945 yamato,and will the difference between the A-140 F variant be visible or not at a 1/350 scale (I may use the tamiya odel for those one) https://warshipprojects.com/2018/04/24/ ... s-genesis/


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thebunkerparodie wrote:
got to wonder why are they so much AA variation for the april 1945 yamato,and will the difference between the A-140 F variant be visible or not at a 1/350 scale (I may use the tamiya odel for those one) https://warshipprojects.com/2018/04/24/ ... s-genesis/


Well, since the final AA refit was done just before Ten-ichigo, and no good photos or plans of it survived the war, the older reconstructions were done piece-meal and based on memory of survivors and incomplete information. (The best photos of Yamato and Musashi that survive are from earlier in the war when her deck gun and AA configurations were significantly different).

Once the wreck of Yamato was found in the late 1980s and exploration of it commenced, the missing pieces were filled in and supplemented by diagrams that were found here and there in personal archives of former members of the IJN or their families...

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ok thanks,now I'll regard the old interpretation as what if A140F6/n°111/N°797 and I think your yamato is pretty great too


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thebunkerparodie wrote:
ok thanks,now I'll regard the old interpretation as what if A140F6/n°111/N°797 and I think your yamato is pretty great too


Thanks. Unfortunately, I missed adding 2 additional ten-ichigo AA fire control directors located in between the funnel and the main structure ... there's just so much stuff you need to add to those old Nichimo kits ... :-?

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got to wonder were do you see the AA on the rear and the stern on this pic (too blurry to me)
http://www.battleshipyamato.com/index.a ... ?i=121&s=1
(nice gallery ,pretty useful for documentation)
May I use tamiya yamato/musashi for the n°797 ship or some modernized A-140 F? (not planning on ordering them right now though,1:350 scale is still too big for me),also the number of torpedo hit being taken by yamato seem to varry a lot too (from 22 to 35 at least) and what do you think of the updated anatomy of the ship with the musashi (the AA placement for the 1945 yamato is still different)


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founded those 3d view of ten ichi go yamato http://3dhistory.de/wordpress/3d-models ... n-ichi-go/


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thebunkerparodie wrote:
got to wonder were do you see the AA on the rear and the stern on this pic (too blurry to me)
http://www.battleshipyamato.com/index.a ... ?i=121&s=1
(nice gallery ,pretty useful for documentation)
May I use tamiya yamato/musashi for the n°797 ship or some modernized A-140 F? (not planning on ordering them right now though,1:350 scale is still too big for me),also the number of torpedo hit being taken by yamato seem to varry a lot too (from 22 to 35 at least) and what do you think of the updated anatomy of the ship with the musashi (the AA placement for the 1945 yamato is still different)


It helps if you squint your eyes while viewing the photo :big_grin:

Anyway, you look for the shadows - I have pointed out the 4 rear flight deck AA mounts with red arrows. (The two black dots in the middle are the two mounts on top of turret #3).


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thanks and what about the one after the turret and the one on the secondary foward turret?


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I legit don't see AA in the red circle zone but evryone put some here (even the innacurate one)


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where does the rocket launcher of the musashi come from ?


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I'm thinking of taking a commission musashi for an A140 F5 model (I don't the difference in dimension would be that important at a 1/700 scale)
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Got to wonder were does the 3 25 in the 15,5cm triple turret zone come from
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For a 1/700 accurate yamato,I'm going to go with the pit road kit and the new tool tamiya cost way too much for me


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I have the pascal colombier book on the 3 yamato,they got all thing right but not the AA of the ten ichi go yamato ,I sended to caraktere this post and asked them for an update regarding the AA,I like A10 table and the 3d view of both musashi and shinano (presented achievied in both the book and the LOS! magazine).
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Note: the book is in french and out of stock,I got mine because I asked one of the autor from caraktere and he accepted to offer his book to me (lucky me!)


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bucketfoot-al wrote:
Musashi Citadel deck diagram, showing changes to superstructure 1942-1944.

Note that the rocket launcher pads are NOT SHOWN on the 1944 diagram. It would have been in the position of the last spotlight just aft of the funnel.


what is the green zone?


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