The Ship Model Forum

The Ship Modelers Source
It is currently Fri Mar 29, 2024 7:19 am

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 1124 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40 ... 57  Next
Author Message
PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 4:34 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue Oct 23, 2018 2:00 pm
Posts: 567
You are welcome, happy modelling. From Ireland!


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2020 6:22 am 
Offline

Joined: Sat Mar 28, 2009 10:20 am
Posts: 454
Gents, I have no doubt asked this question before but...................................does anyone have or know where one can get (or - wishful thinking - view on-line) a copy of the Bucknell Report (into PoW's loss)?; other than going in person to the archives in the UK (which of course besides me not living in the UK, I wouldn't be going there now under current 'circumstances' even if I could).

PS. Hoping all are staying safe (or as safe as can be) in these troubled times!

_________________
We are off to look for trouble. I expect we shall find it.” Capt. Tennant, HMS Repulse. 8 December 1941
A review of the situation at about 1100 was not encouraging.” Capt. Gordon, HMS Exeter. 1 March 1942


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2020 1:31 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jan 10, 2005 6:00 pm
Posts: 12138
Location: Ottawa, Canada
Try contacting Dr. GH (Harry) Bennett at University of Plymouth - he cites the Bucknill Committee reports in his book The Royal Navy in the Age of Austerity, so might have copies of it.

_________________
De quoi s'agit-il?


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:53 am 
Offline

Joined: Sat Mar 28, 2009 10:20 am
Posts: 454
Thanks for the input Tim.

_________________
We are off to look for trouble. I expect we shall find it.” Capt. Tennant, HMS Repulse. 8 December 1941
A review of the situation at about 1100 was not encouraging.” Capt. Gordon, HMS Exeter. 1 March 1942


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:13 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Aug 29, 2008 6:17 am
Posts: 396
Location: Lerici
Hi all.

i'm starting to detail and correct the turrets of my 1945 KGV rendition.
I already corrected the B turret roof as per pictures and plans, now it's time to start working on the rear o the turrets.

lot of doubts and questions here..

There is a number of...hatches? vent covers? whatever? on the rear side of the turrets, but plans are not according to pictures and pictures are not according to...other pictures.

Both the plans from Kagero publishing and profile morskie shows an arrangement of these "things" that is fairly different from what Eduard provides in the PE set, and this part differs in size and shape from what can be seen in pictures.
All the following pictures are taken from the IWM site, and the attribution to kgv is almost certain.

In the first picture you can see these "hatches" with a sort of round handle-bump on the upper part. they seem to be fairy thin. (1941 circa)
Image

as better shown in this picture (a turret? 1941 circa)
Image

in this picture they seem to be somewhat different
Image

fourth picture: it appears that the hatces now seems to be like "rails". (1943?)
Image

the next pictures are from 1944 royal family visit, as the two video stills.
disaster here.

in the picture with Princess Elizabeht there is clearly a rail and not a hatch, both in the lower and upper rows.
in the video stills (first one Y turret?) there is the evidence of a prominent...vent cover? hatch? tobacco vending machine? alien egg nest? that is visible even on the rear of the B turret in the second video still (link to the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtpExntbt1o )

Image

Image

Image

Image

are there any better images or any hint about this detail?
many thanks in advance

_________________
On the bench: evolution of Royal Italian Navy Ironclads-1/700

-Regia Nave Formidabile


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:58 am 
Offline

Joined: Wed Jan 21, 2009 1:51 pm
Posts: 2853
There is a pattern of vent holes in the rear 7" armour.

Attachment:
Buxton004.jpg


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:09 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Aug 29, 2008 6:17 am
Posts: 396
Location: Lerici
so those panels are covers for the vent holes. thank you for the information. Now it's time to figure out the exact pattern of these covers for 1945 :D
it will be fun, but i have time...here the lockdown is officially prolonged until the 13 of april...at least.

_________________
On the bench: evolution of Royal Italian Navy Ironclads-1/700

-Regia Nave Formidabile


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:16 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sat Mar 28, 2009 10:20 am
Posts: 454
Timmy C wrote:
Try contacting Dr. GH (Harry) Bennett at University of Plymouth - he cites the Bucknill Committee reports in his book The Royal Navy in the Age of Austerity, so might have copies of it.

Well, I got hold of Mr Bennett, but unfortuntely no luck, he did not have a copy and could only suggest IWM or Nat Arch.

Oh well, que sera, sera.
But again, THANKS for trying Tim! :thanks:

Oh, and thanks for posting pic of open twin turret EJ. :thumbs_up_1:

_________________
We are off to look for trouble. I expect we shall find it.” Capt. Tennant, HMS Repulse. 8 December 1941
A review of the situation at about 1100 was not encouraging.” Capt. Gordon, HMS Exeter. 1 March 1942


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:54 pm 
Offline
Model Monkey
Model Monkey

Joined: Sat Aug 20, 2005 9:27 pm
Posts: 3952
Location: USA
Seeking conformation of the presence or absence of a heat shield at the searchlight platform level of KGV's aft funnel.

If present, it would be similar to the heat shield on the forward funnel shown in the photo below.

TIA!


Attachments:
KGV 1945 forward funnel heat shield circled.jpg
KGV 1945 forward funnel heat shield circled.jpg [ 225.75 KiB | Viewed 1871 times ]

_________________
Have fun, Monkey around.™

-Steve L.

Complete catalog: - https://www.model-monkey.com/
Follow Model Monkey® on Facebook: - https://www.facebook.com/modelmonkeybookandhobby
Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2020 3:06 am 
Offline

Joined: Wed Jan 21, 2009 1:51 pm
Posts: 2853
I only found one good shot of the rear of the aft funnel that shows DoY's funnel post war without shielding.

Image


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2020 5:20 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jan 26, 2016 7:59 am
Posts: 228
It looks like there is a heat shield in that photo..?

_________________
King George V class Battleships in 3D


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2020 5:21 am 
Offline

Joined: Wed Jan 21, 2009 1:51 pm
Posts: 2853
Behind the searchlight you mean? Yes, appears so, I was too focused on the rear...


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2020 5:41 am 
Offline

Joined: Sat Mar 28, 2009 10:20 am
Posts: 454
Martocticvs wrote:
It looks like there is a heat shield in that photo..?

Yes it certainly does.

_________________
We are off to look for trouble. I expect we shall find it.” Capt. Tennant, HMS Repulse. 8 December 1941
A review of the situation at about 1100 was not encouraging.” Capt. Gordon, HMS Exeter. 1 March 1942


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:17 am 
Offline
Model Monkey
Model Monkey

Joined: Sat Aug 20, 2005 9:27 pm
Posts: 3952
Location: USA
Thanks for the help! Photos I have access to showing KGV's aft funnel seem to indicate that she did not have an aft funnel heat shield but the photos are poor and I may be wrong.

Below are the best photos I have showing the aft funnel. It is hard to make out any heat shield on the aft funnel in this photo:
Attachment:
KGV 1945 12531307864_2fd62993c6_o_zpsxy8of8rs.jpg
KGV 1945 12531307864_2fd62993c6_o_zpsxy8of8rs.jpg [ 364.53 KiB | Viewed 2042 times ]

The next photo shows a bit of a horizontal shadow that may be the top edge of a heat shield(?). The faint shadow is a thin line visible just above the top of the temporary shelter on the front of the searchlight platform. The photo, otherwise excellent, is not clear enough to confirm that what we see is actually a heat shield and if so, its extents.

There may be two heat shields, one forward and another aft, with a gap between them. There appears to be another faint shadow line visible just beyond the searchlight, in line with the forward shadow line. If what we are seeing is (are) a heat shield(s), maybe it is similar to the heat shield seen in the DoY photo EJ posted?

Thoughts?
Attachment:
KGV 1945-ish.jpg
KGV 1945-ish.jpg [ 217.86 KiB | Viewed 2042 times ]

_________________
Have fun, Monkey around.™

-Steve L.

Complete catalog: - https://www.model-monkey.com/
Follow Model Monkey® on Facebook: - https://www.facebook.com/modelmonkeybookandhobby


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:25 am 
Offline

Joined: Wed Jan 21, 2009 1:51 pm
Posts: 2853
Attachment:
KGV_02.jpg


KGV

Attachment:
Keystone 667_670945 DoY (front) and Anson.jpg


DOY

Attachment:
ADM_267_111_009.jpg


POW

Seems to be there.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:29 am 
Offline
Model Monkey
Model Monkey

Joined: Sat Aug 20, 2005 9:27 pm
Posts: 3952
Location: USA
Yes, sure does, heat shield similar if not identical to DoY. PoW, too.

Thanks EJ!!

_________________
Have fun, Monkey around.™

-Steve L.

Complete catalog: - https://www.model-monkey.com/
Follow Model Monkey® on Facebook: - https://www.facebook.com/modelmonkeybookandhobby


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:11 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Aug 29, 2008 6:17 am
Posts: 396
Location: Lerici
from IWM, this is marked as KGV in 1941.

Image

the heat shielding is clearly visible, and it appears to be a continuous plate.

_________________
On the bench: evolution of Royal Italian Navy Ironclads-1/700

-Regia Nave Formidabile


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:36 am 
Offline

Joined: Sat Mar 28, 2009 10:20 am
Posts: 454
ModelMonkey wrote:
Photos I have access to showing KGV's aft funnel seem to indicate that she did not have an aft funnel heat shield but the photos are poor and I may be wrong.

No, IMO you are right as to the the pics you posted. That is, there appears to be no shield shown in those photos, or none directly behind the searchlight as some other poster's pics show.

See crops your photos below.


Attachments:
KGV 1945 12531307864_2fd62993c6_o_zpsxy8of8rs copy.jpg
KGV 1945 12531307864_2fd62993c6_o_zpsxy8of8rs copy.jpg [ 313.12 KiB | Viewed 2026 times ]
KGV 1945-ish copy.jpg
KGV 1945-ish copy.jpg [ 300.96 KiB | Viewed 2026 times ]

_________________
We are off to look for trouble. I expect we shall find it.” Capt. Tennant, HMS Repulse. 8 December 1941
A review of the situation at about 1100 was not encouraging.” Capt. Gordon, HMS Exeter. 1 March 1942
Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:49 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Aug 29, 2008 6:17 am
Posts: 396
Location: Lerici
actually, in the second picture you posted the shielding is there, even if we can see only a subtile line.
perspective and light are not helping us, but i'm 95% positive that the shielding is there.
Other pictures show the shielding in that position, and it's unlikely that they were removed from KGV after the war (picture you posted is from 1946-47) but retained on DOY and Anson (as shown in picture of the latter 2 ships mothballed).
The picture from 1941 i posted just a couple of posts above is quite clear in showing a complete plate, but even from this angle the upper edges are barely visible.


So i think that the thin line that we can see in your pictures can be our beloved shield (useful to cook bacon and eggs for breakfast, i believe :heh: )

just my 2 cent :wave_1:

_________________
On the bench: evolution of Royal Italian Navy Ironclads-1/700

-Regia Nave Formidabile


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:59 am 
Offline

Joined: Wed Jan 21, 2009 1:51 pm
Posts: 2853
Agree


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 1124 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40 ... 57  Next

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 63 guests


You can post new topics in this forum
You can reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group