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PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 8:37 am 
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Not sure there was any difference. BTW, does the Mini Hobby POW has a waterline option?


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 10:34 am 
There were differences. I am no expert and I hope someone who is will give a list as I am also trying to build the POW in her May 42 outfit. I am using the 1/350 Tamiya kit and have found the following things to back date it so far. Eliminate the 20 mm gun tubs on the fantail and forward superstructure, the elongated tub for a single 40 mm stays, replace the pom-poms on the 14 inch turrets with UP launchers from WEM, one on B turret and two on X turret, eliminate the ready service lockers on the turrets and change or eliminate the radar antennas. Not completely sure on types and numbers of radars yet as I am not that far in the build, but I am sure they were different.
I am also pretty sure she had no 20 mm guns in May, so no gun tubs. Again, hopefully one of the resident experts will give a complete list.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 4:15 pm 
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the mini hobby models POW does have a waterline option.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 5:44 pm 
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Thank you.


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From "Warship" Volume III, which contains 4 articles by Peter Dumas on the KGV class, and, IMO, is the best single available reference on this class of ships:

Prince of Wales armament

as built:
10 14 inch guns
16 5.25 inch guns
4 8-barrelled 2pdr pom-poms
3 UP (unrotated projectile) rocket launchers (1 on B turret and 2 on X turret)
1 Bofors AA on quarterdeck
[Radar: 279 air warning, with aerials on mastheads, 284 for main armament, with aerials on forward main director. Four 285 and four 282 gunnery sets with aerials on the HACS Mk IV directors and the pom-pom directors on the lower bridge were fitted shortly after completion]

July 1941
UP mountings removed
2 8-barrelled pom-pom mountings fitted (1 on B turret and 1 on X turret)
[also type 271surface warning radar added between forward HACS directors]

December 1941
7 single 20mm Oerlikons added (3 on quarterdeck, 4 on No 1 platform)

Note that KGV, in the same time frame, did not have the same fit, neither in light AA and nor in radars

And a slightly OOT reminder: anyone wanting to build KGV before the major 1944 refit (which prepared her for the Pacific theatre) would be well advised to start with a POW kit, as until that refit she retained her catapult and aircraft. IMO it is easier to add the necessary AA armament and radar changes than backdate the Tamiya KGV...

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 6:10 am 
Thank you Anthony. Your list is most helpful.
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thanks for the info :big_grin:

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:13 pm 
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(4) barrell pom pom on Y turret POW. Photo in IWM, reference # H 12784 W/ Churchill on board , August 1941. HTH John


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 3:35 pm 
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That's curious, I never knew a quad pompom was fitted. Or is the picture mislabeled? Probably not...


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Yep, that pic is correct, here's a pic of PoW awaiting FDR showing A and B turrets, you can clearly see the Pom Pom fitted to B turret, which means the UP's were gone at that date and replaced with Pom Pom's. After the loss of Hood, all UP's were "quietly" removed from all RN Capital ships. The only reason they were fitted in the first place was because Proffesor Lindermann (the guy who designed them) was a personal friend of Churchill

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also, if you enlarge this pic which was taken as FDR arrived on PoW, and look straight up from the upper rearmost starboard porthole, you can just make out the barrels of the Pom Pom on Y turret.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 7:31 am 
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The Dumas article in Warship, like all things, isn't without its errors.
This one shows it best for Y-turret Aug 1941:

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and 8-barrelled amidships:

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For the Prince of Wales at the time of her demise, would I be correct in assuming that from waterline up the ship is basicly 507c light gray (not the wood decks), MS1 dark gray for the steel decks, with B5 blue, B6 blue and MS1 dark gray added for camouflage ?? I understand that the PoW also had MS3, but that this was painted over in the summer of 1941.
What colour are inflatable lifeboats ??
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 10:36 am 
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Carley Floats painted the same color where they are placed, I'm using 507 C for floats on wood decks. jc


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 10:39 pm 
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Although showing some signs of age so to speak, a photo of the 'real thing' underneath the wreck of HMS Prince of Wales.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 2:26 am 
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If that lifeboat has been on the bottom of the ocean for more than 60 years, it's looking remarkably clean.
But the photo shows it to be blue.
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I suspect the pretty blue is the color of the plastic not paint. There is a great photo of a freshly painted Penelope in Nov. 1942, pg. 44, Warship Perspectives Vol 4. Note how the camo. cuts accross the float beside B turret, and the other floats are painted the color they are placed upon. Also see the note below it that refer to the official camo designs. jc


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Apart from the spectacular photo by itself, those are some awesome-looking sea urchins down there. I certainly wouldn't like to share my Carley float with a few of those blighters!

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Gents,

It is my understanding that the interior of the Carley float was 'solid' so to speak, so what you are seeing here is the 'blueing' of the hollow metal core from its prolonged immersion in salt water.

Now, while not a great believer in everything that Wikipedia says, the following does seem to describe the floats construction accurately. Later they may have been made of canvas, or something similar, but the ones on PoW are metal core. The crushing under pressure (from the water pressure at depth) of the hollow metal core can be seen in the image I posted lower right on float.

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"The Carley float was formed from a length of copper or steel tubing 12-20inches (30-50cm) in diameter bent into an oval ring. The ring was surrounded by a buoyant mass of kapok or cork, and then covered with a layer of canvas rendered waterproof via painting or doping. The metal tube was divided into waterproof compartments with vertical baffles. The raft was thus rigid, and could remain buoyant, floating equally well with either side uppermost, even if the waterproof outer was punctured. The floor of the raft was made from a wood or webbing grating. Boxes containing paddles, water, rations and survival equipment were lashed to the floor grating. Men could either sit around the rim of the raft, or, if in the water, cling to rope loops strung around its edge."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carley_flo ... e-Lavery-4

http://www.navalandmilitarymuseum.org/r ... arley.html

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