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PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 5:40 am 
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That's the night-lookout position and it is slightly angled out, not flat.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 5:58 am 
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I don’t think this is flat... and the second photo shows the first, left hand opening and then no sign of the second right hand opening, suggesting the edge you see is the angle between the two halves.

I checked the 1940 drawing in Burts British Battleships of World War 2 and there is no sign of it there... but the photo on page 300/301 clearly shows an angled face in the aerial photo of Duke of York, one of the other KGV class.

However, after KGV’s refit, the extension shows clearly on the drawing on page 307. It’s certainly angled.

There is also a photo of KGV in late 1943 on page 303 which shows that same extension and it looks angles to me... and it’s the same era as your third photo.

I am sure others will chime in here, but there are likely to be a few differences between KGV and the others of the same class... so you will need to be certain you are referencing the same ship at the correct time frame whenever you are working from photos...

I think your Kagero drawing is too early to show the changes... I would look for a drawing closer to the time period you want to model.

It’s also worth picking up some good references. British Battleships of World War 2 has some very useful drawings and photos of KGV and her sisters.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 6:01 am 
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Whoops... crossed post!

Agreed EJ. :thumbs_up_1:

Now I have started looking, I have hundreds of photos of this area! (Well, twenty or so anyway... :heh: )

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 7:58 am 
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It happens :)

This one is nice: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... _Green.jpg


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Damn... just wrote a long post and then deleted it by accident...!

Ah well.. second go... but much shorter this time!

Great photo EJ :thumbs_up_1:

Back to Magisterman...

These will be useful, from my later KGV drawings...

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:13 am 
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Hi MagisterMan,

Any chance of reposting the pic of the 5.25's from your post at bottom of previous page without the red ring in, or alternately the IWM link number?

TIA.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 4:46 pm 
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Hi everyone!
Firstly, thanks for your responses.
EJ and Bill,
I found another picture of KGV demonstrating this position (thnks to EJ for explanation of it's designation), where it looks a bit different from the plans Bill have sent. The point is that I'm completely sure about the ship I'm talking about - it's exactly KGV. The picture that I sent depicts KGV in 1941. The EJ's picture is KGV after great refit. So, possibly, this part of superstructure was also went under refit somehow?
By the way, I found a 3D-render of KGV, where the position is also shown as flat. But I can't say is it worth trusting or not. And unfortunately I do not have the book about which Bill talked about.


For Kevin - I've attached the picture, here you are


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 5:56 pm 
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MagisterMan wrote:
Hi everyone!
Firstly, thanks for your responses.
EJ and Bill,
I found another picture of KGV demonstrating this position (thnks to EJ for explanation of it's designation), where it looks a bit different from the plans Bill have sent.


You are welcome. The plans I attached are after the refit.


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EJ's picture is KGV after great refit. So, possibly, this part of superstructure was also went under refit somehow?


Yes, this is what we are saying.

MagisterMan wrote:
the way, I found a 3D-render of KGV, where the position is also shown as flat. But I can't say is it worth trusting or not.


Thats the same section, but prior to the refit. same as your original plans

MagisterMan wrote:
unfortunately I do not have the book about which Bill talked about.


You should try.You need good references and not everything is available on line. Far from it!!

You need to decide your timeframe and build to that. Otherwise this will keep getting more confusing as you go on.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 8:01 pm 
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MagisterMan, the side is not flat as in not parallel to the centerline as your last picture proves that.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 8:24 pm 
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DavidP wrote:
MagisterMan, the side is not flat as in not parallel to the centerline as your last picture proves that.



Thank you David. :big_grin:

Magisterman... are you finding this difficult because you are convinced your Kagero plans are from the timeframe you want to build the model?

The plans you have are the earlier fit, and your kit (POW) is a later fit (KGV class have the same modified section post refit...)

Do you want to build KGV in the earlier, pre-refit guise as per your drawing and the render you attached? If that is the case then you will need to modify the kit.

However, my understanding was that you wanted to build KGV later in the war... so the section you are referring to is not flat. Even your own pictures prove it... and they agree with my late fit drawing.

This means you dont need to modify this section... the kit you have is correct for KGV later in the war (more or less... they have simplified it a little).

Could you please be a little more precise..? Its hard to help without knowing exactly what you want to model. I thought it was KGV, late war... but maybe I got it wrong?

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:28 pm 
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MagisterMan wrote:
For Kevin - I've attached the picture, here you are

Thanks MagisterMan, much appreciated!

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MagisterMan wrote:
The picture that I sent depicts KGV in 1941. The EJ's picture is KGV after great refit. So, possibly, this part of superstructure was also went under refit somehow?


These lookout positions have been present from the original configuration of HMS PoW and appear on the plans as-built. But it does seem flat on A3657, as well as A27009... none of the IWM images have a good view (which is really funny as there are hundreds of KGV pics!). But I also found this image:

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Appears quite flat to me! :thumbs_up_1:


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 5:19 am 
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Yep... pre-refit, it was flat.

After the refit, according to photos and the post refit plans of KGV (Burt, BBofWW2), the look out station was added and it was angled, as you first stated.

That’s why I keep asking at what time period does the OP want to model KGV. Without that important bit of information, there is little point in us trying to help him... all we will do is continue to confuse and contradict.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:02 am 
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t thought it was contradict & confuse! never could keep those 2 straight.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:28 am 
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EJ, many thanks to you! May I ask where did you get this picture?

Bill,
I described my building just a couple of pages before, and it seemed a bit strange to me to decribe it again and again every time I had a question. If the time period for my model had been 1945 I just woldn't have changed the position at all as I also have lots of pictures confirming the angled form of position for 1945. I tried to confirm/deny whether this postition was flat until the 1945 and sent pics advocating for that actually was flat. I'm disappointed about this misunderstanding, I really am.


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The only reference from you with regard to the time period I could find was 1942-43ss... which is pretty vague and was posted way back on August 9.

You could simply have answered the question and we could have moved on. I’m not going to read back 27 pages to answer a simple question when you could have just posted the year and month and it would have been clear to all - and saved some of us an hour or so of our own time looking up information to help you, only for it to be not relevant.

When people try to help, helping them to help you is normally the most effective way to go.

You are a new member, so perhaps I should be a little more patient...

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Is there a direct turret replacement for Tamiya PoW for DoY conversion that is actually available in 3D print?

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I am brand new to this forum but I have had a 1/350 Tamiya Prince of Wales since it was first released... I finally have brushed the dust off of the box and am going to get building... Thinking of converting it to KBV in 1941 or DOY in 1943.


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... KBV ...
King Benno the Fifth? :big_grin:

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pascalemod wrote:
Is there a direct turret replacement for Tamiya PoW for DoY conversion that is actually available in 3D print?

https://www.shapeways.com/product/K6U3R ... arketplace

As usual with 3D printed items, some filing and sanding of printing artifacts will be required.
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