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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 10:33 pm 
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I am modifying the Trumpeter 1/700 HMS Valiant kit to depict the ship in her 1943 fit and need to convert the midships catapult deck to a boat deck, but cannot find any closeup pictures anywhere (not even on the IWM site) of this area after the catapult was removed.

The best I have is a screen grab from a video, and photos of the Julian Glossop model of Valiant held by the IWM (and his models were not always accurate--if you look closely, you'll see that he did not remove the catapult on his model). See here:

https://goo.gl/images/7CLTjU

https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/30018856

Can anyone direct me to photos anywhere showing the catapult/boats deck of HMS Valiant--from any angle--after the catapults were removed?

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2018 7:48 am 
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Hello all. I am new to this thread, but I have a Academy Warspite (also have the 350 QE from Trump), that I would like to build as another of the sisters that are unrepresented, but in looking at pics, it seems that the only other one that is even close would be the Valiant. Is that correct? Pretty much would have to scratch the whole superstructure for Barham or Malaya?

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2018 7:53 am 
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Warspite is quite different in superstructure compared to Valiant and QE that are much closer together; not sure how much closer but as far as I know they are nearly identical except for a few details (e.g., Valiant briefly had a pole main mast).


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2018 10:40 pm 
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Thank you EJ.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 11:42 am 
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Hi all, I'm trying to find something definitive on the paint scheme of Warspite in July 1940, so, before it got it's contrast/Alexandria scheme and from what I can tell it was still in the scheme depicted here http://i.imgur.com/5gt13xx.jpg ? So, the AP 507B Admiralty Medium Grey (RN 02) & AP 507C Admiralty Light Grey (RN 03) but I assume which the red and blue stripes by then?


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 1:09 pm 
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My guess is 507C overall. I think that photo is colorized.
Kinda too good to be true me thinks, pre-war neutrality colors.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 2:02 pm 
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kais58's link points to a photo showing WARSPITE in the Mediterranean Fleet before the Second World War. By the time of the Second Battle of Narvik (April 1940) she was wearing Home Fleet Grey (either AP507A or AP507B, which were the same colour). The nationality markings on "B" turret had been painted out. By early May she was back in the Mediterranean. I'm not aware of any photos of her in July 1940, but I would guess that she'd been repainted into AP507C Mediterranean Grey, or possibly the "block" scheme seen in later photos.


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Here are links to two photos of Warspite at Alexandria in July 1940:

https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/C261160

https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/C261257

They show she was back in overall Mediterranean grey at this time

(One assumes the block scheme appeared when the Mediterranean Fleet was ordered to repaint to "dazzle" in early August 1940 - see Mediterranean Fleet War Diary entry for 7th August 1940: ADM 199/386)


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:29 am 
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That photo is definitely colourised but thanks all for your help, 507C it is.


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tjstoneman wrote:
In late 1944, her disruptive camouflage was changed to an Admiralty Standard scheme.

Although the kit claims to show her 1941 configuration, it actually (loosely) represents her after the 1942-43 USA repairs and before the modernisation refit in UK in 1943. By 1944 the aircraft and catapult had been removed, and the former catapult deck was used for boat stowage. The space made available on the hangar roof was used for a deckhouse either side of the funnel for three twin 20mm Oerlikon mountings, and for pompom directors; other twin 20mm were fitted abreast "X" turret, at the after end of Number 3 Platform Deck (kit part A12), replacing two single Oerlikons), on the shelter deck (part H14) abreast the tower bridge and either side of the catapult deck (in addition to those on "B" and "X" turrets as shown in the kit). The single mountings displaced from Number 3 platform deck were re-fitted on the catapult deck, for'd of the new twin mountings there. The rangefinders (parts K1) and 44" searchlights (parts G11) on the after superstructure appear to have been replaced by single 20mm.

The Carley float arrangement on the sides of the tower bridge was also different from that depicted by trumpeter.

Trumpeter have not bothered to add the SR.RDF (gunnery radar) antenna (Type 284) on the for'd LA.DCT (part G12) - it was a Yagi array similar to that depicted by parts PE1 and PE3 - nor have they reproduced the AW.RDF (Type 279) at the fore and main topmasts - admittedly this is difficult (but not impossible) in 1/700 scale. A radio direction-finding "hut" with an aerial on top was fitted on the quarterdeck.


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Good day dear members of the community .I plan to start making "Queen Elizabeth" in Colombo in 1944 and again there is a question raised here repeatedly...exist-whether images or drawings to the site upstairs of the hangar with the established anti-aircraft machine guns (6 Oerlikon mk5)...many thanks


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There are sketches of the hangar roof and other areas, which may help, at http://www.steelnavy.net/RRQE1943plan.html


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tjstoneman wrote:
There are sketches of the hangar roof and other areas, which may help, at http://www.steelnavy.net/RRQE1943plan.html


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Video of Warspite and other battleships in the Med, 1940, starting at the 8:41 mark:

https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/1060007639

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:19 am 
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Hi, All!!!

I am building a HMS Warspite model on a scale of 1: 350 (Academy+Pontos+Ka Design).
My building story can be seen here.
Now I need help with 10 ton aircraft cranes. I can not find good drawings or photographs.
The fact that the crane is much more complicated I saw on the model of Colin Vass and on the foto other ships.


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