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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 11:39 am 
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...if you should build one of the QE class battleships in 1/350 ... the Barham in '41 as example :eyebrows: , wich photoetched kit would you buy?

One of the HMS Hood, the KGV set or something else?

In my opinion the GMM HMS Hood set is the one with more common details with QE class.

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Laurence Batchelor wrote:

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...am I wrong or there aren't rivets on the roof of the towers?


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 12:26 pm 
Only the 15" Mk II turret on HMS Hood has rivets. That is, non-flush...


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Interesting she's flying her jack while still underway


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Dino Carancini wrote:
...if you should build one of the QE class battleships in 1/350 ... the Barham in '41 as example :eyebrows: , wich photoetched kit would you buy? Dino


This is probably where you should consider making your own PE. Much cheaper that way.

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EJ Foeth wrote:
Only the 15" Mk II turret on HMS Hood has rivets. That is, non-flush...


Also the KGV's had rivetted turret plating...
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 9:33 am 
except that it's a 14 inch turret.... :welcome:


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Of course! I was just suggesting the practice was continued after Hood :big_grin:


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...if this is the Barham in 1941, and I think she is, she still has her stern catwalk, a nice vintage touch for a WWII model...

Just to know what was the pourpose of that thing? ( be patient please my military experience is limited to field howitzers :heh: )

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source : http://www.worldisround.com/articles/16107/


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Laurence Batchelor wrote:
EJ Foeth wrote:
Only the 15" Mk II turret on HMS Hood has rivets. That is, non-flush...


Also the KGV's had rivetted turret plating...
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those were rather BOLTS not rivets because the necessity of
eventual easy acces in case of gun dismounting.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:52 pm 
And other ships had also bolted turret roofs but bolted from inside,
at least on sides. plates themselves could be joined by "keys"


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Still they protude like riverts :big_grin:

My mistake, though I'm aware of the bolting on the turrets.

I've seen them lifted off cruisers in photos, it helped no end on ships Like Liverpool when there were getting rebuilt in the US in WW2


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And other ships had also bolted turret roofs but bolted from inside,
at least on sides. plates themselves could be joined by "keys"


... let me understand, with "keys" you mean like late war german tanks? And in this case were the plates welded each other?


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And other ships had also bolted turret roofs but bolted from inside,
at least on sides. plates themselves could be joined by "keys"


... let me understand, with "keys" you mean like late war german tanks? And in this case were the plates welded each other?





A bit different: one plate could be "milled" in ad other "milled" out and
joyned like "wall panelling" with own key.

As welding in those times was practically not existing the plates were
bolted on sides to frames. Side and fore plates as well.

Even later when welding became more common there were much of
problems with joyning by welding the thick surface hardened steels or mild steels (vide German welding problems with their Wotan materials
in spite being in van with welding technics)

I'm not sure but I dare to think the thickest plates were still bolted (at turrets at least) :big_grin:


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Dino Carancini wrote:
Guest wrote:
And other ships had also bolted turret roofs but bolted from inside,
at least on sides. plates themselves could be joined by "keys"


... let me understand, with "keys" you mean like late war german tanks? And in this case were the plates welded each other?





A bit different: one plate could be "milled" in ad other "milled" out and
joyned like "wall panelling" with own key.

As welding in those times was practically not existing the plates were
bolted on sides to frames. Side and fore plates as well.

Even later when welding became more common there were much of
problems with joyning by welding the thick surface hardened steels or mild steels (vide German welding problems with their Wotan materials
in spite being in van with welding technics)

I'm not sure but I dare to think the thickest plates were still bolted (at turrets at least) :big_grin:


Thank you!

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Pom Poms!

I was studying the Barham 1941 drawings on "British Battleships of WWII" and I saw a strange thing, the last added pom poms ( near the conning tower ) are represented as MKVII mounts ( quad ) while in the text they talk about MKVI mounts ( octuple ).

Profile Morskie drawings shows instead two MK VI

I think they were octuple mounts, but I'm not 100% sure about this... any idea?

TIA

Dino


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 8:19 am 
Quads.
Mistake in the text.

Dino Carancini wrote:
Pom Poms!

I was studying the Barham 1941 drawings on "British Battleships of WWII" and I saw a strange thing, the last added pom poms ( near the conning tower ) are represented as MKVII mounts ( quad ) while in the text they talk about MKVI mounts ( octuple ).

Profile Morskie drawings shows instead two MK VI

I think they were octuple mounts, but I'm not 100% sure about this... any idea?

TIA

Dino


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Thank you for the quick answer wr! :thumbs_up_1:


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Quads.
Mistake in the text.



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HMS Queen Elizabeth at the London Science Museum, an interesting representation of the QE in her mid-life aspect.

http://wmunderway.8m.com/museum/londonscience/londonscience.html


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