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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 12:46 am 
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I need pictures of the Nevada and Oklahoma ( 1930's) in a bad way. I have around 100 pictures at the moment but would like to have more.

Any thing will help so post any pictures if you find any. Chances are I might already have the picture but someone is bound to have one I have yet to find.

Right now I'm hurting for close up details of the armor plating. The hull is almost faired in and wanting thin aluminum plating soon.

Another detail I'm sketchy on right now is the catapult for "Q" turret. My pictures from circa '41 show a "rail" like system but they might be the older "ramp" style.............please let me know wich one I should go with. Its not going to be a museum model but I would like to get it as close as possible with my limited modeling ability.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 4:09 pm 
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nevada http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/36a.htm
oklahoma http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/37a.htm


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 2:42 pm 
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Available Nevada-class kits:
1/700
HP Nevada - 1941 fit
HP Oklahoma - 1941 fit
HP Nevada - 1945 fit
Tom's Modelworks Nevada - 1944 fit
Additionally, Midship Models has announced a Nevada & Oklahoma, both in 1941 fits.

1/350
ISW Nevada - 1941 fit
ISW Oklahoma - 1941 fit
ISW Nevada - 1944 fit

Links to Nevada-class builds in the galleries:
1/700:
Christoph Mentzel's 1/700 HP Nevada
Gary Johnshon's 1/700 scratchbuilt Nevada
Bob Cicconi's 1/700 HP Nevada

1/350:
Jeff Sharp's 1/350 ISW Nevada
Dave Becker's 1/350 ISW Oklahoma

Various Scales:
John Bange's 1/500 scratchbuilt Nevada
Paul Helfrich's 1/2400 Oklahoma

Over on Steel Navy, there is also Greg Shoda's (1/550?) scratchbuilt Nevada and Bill Everett's 1/192 scratchbuilt Nevada

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 7:22 pm 
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Google has started posting hosted images from Life Magazine's archives online; here are a couple *COLOR* shots that should be of interest to Oklahoma/Nevada fans.

Anchored off of Lahaina, Maui (AKA Lahaina Roads) September, 1940.
http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l? ... f%26sa%3DN

Here's one of a cruiser that should give modelers some ideas as to holystoned teak's appearance:
http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l? ... 6bfe67839e

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 1:45 pm 
It is Nevada.


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More from LIFE - overhead shot taken by the Japanese during the attack on Battleship Row. Oklahoma is the top left ship in line, Nevada is at the bottom of the page.

Historian Mike Wegner had this to say over at Steel Navy about this photo:
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I recently picked up a war-time print of this photo that originated with a Japanese news agency. Nevada is much easier to see. However, I suspect that clouds were responsible for the dark area around her. Such shadows show up in an unpublished picture from the torpedo attack as well (Sorry, it is being saved for “Das Buch”).

By the way, her decks (and Tennessee’s) were painted. Take it to the bank. There are many photos that document this fact.

Incidentally, the uncropped version of this print appeared in Model Art’s Pearl Harbor special, Shinjuwan Kohgekitai. For clarity, I would recommend that you find the 1991 issue, rather than the 2001 reprint.

Other have mentioned that this is probably the last photo taken of Oklahoma before she capsized - you can see in the picture that she is starting to roll (as is West Virginia). Notice the float plane askew on the deck by the aft turret.

Here's a crop of Okie & Maryland:
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According to the chart that Tracy White put together on his website, Okie should have Insignia Red on her two forward turrets, and True Blue on her #4 turret. Hard to tell from this picture.

Nevada should have similar coloring on the forward turrets, but white on the top of turret 4. Again, the Nevada is obscured, but it does seem like the top of turret 4 is much lighter than the other turret tops (you can see the outline of the turret 3 gun barrels over the turret). Here's a crop of Nevada:
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All these pictures make me want to get cracking on some of the PH battlewagons I have in the stash, espeically Okie, which seems to be the forgotten battleship of the Pearl Harbor attack.

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My uncle, Alwin B. Chen, was trained as a naval architect during WW2 and then served for the duration at one of the East coast naval shipyards. I can't remember now if it was New York or Philadelphia. Anyway, after he died about 20 years ago his papers went to my father for safekeeping. My Dad passed away this September, and whilst helping my Mom go through his things I found Uncle Al's stuff. Among them is an original print of the paper by Capt. F.H. Whitaker on The Salvage of USS "Oklahoma" at Pearl Harbor. This was to be presented at the 1944 annual meeting of The Society of Naval Architects and Marine Engineers, which my uncle must have attended. It's actually quite a fascinating account of an incredibly complex operation: emptying the oil bunkers, righting the ship, refloating it and getting her into drydock. The report is not printed on magazine stock so the photo reproduction quality is not the best, but there are a number of overhead photos of the ship after righting that may be useful to a modeler. The righting operation itself would make an impressive though daunting diorama.

I am not a ship modeler, so I have no reason to hang onto this document. But I want it to find a home where it will be appreciated and useful. If any of you is interested, I'd be happy to mail it to you at no charge. Please contact me by e-mail as I am not a frequenter of this forum: mkchen@comcast.net

Happy Holidays and Happy New Year!

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Sorry to hear about the loss of your father.

Mail out!

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Anyone know if the Oklahoma had yararms like Nevada and Arizona on the foremast? TIA, Jon


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 11:57 am 
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she had the old version not the triangular version that the arizona & nevada had.


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Thanks David,
Did she also have the external deguassing cable on Dec 7 ?


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 2:12 pm 
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her last refit in february 41 picture in navsource shows her to still have itso presume yes for december.


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Hi all, after almost three years I've finally finished my USS Olkahoma drawing, here it is:

USS Oklahoma Early 1941

Would she have had the turret top colors at this time?

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Yes, from the early 1930s on most battleships did, with experiments and other systems predating that.

Paint according this this document:
http://www.researcheratlarge.com/Misc/O ... tml#BatFor
So that would make her Red Red White

For what it's worth I have a photo showing part of battleship row on June 4 and 3 of the 4 cage mast BBs are in measure one, the other is still prewar gray. So I'm pegging the re-painting as taking place in May/June.

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Thanks Tracy I'll fix my drawing. What would her colors have been on Dec 7th? (Overall and turret tops)

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Tracy White wrote:
Yes, from the early 1930s on most battleships did, with experiments and other systems predating that.

Paint according this this document:
http://www.researcheratlarge.com/Misc/O ... tml#BatFor
So that would make her Red Red White

For what it's worth I have a photo showing part of battleship row on June 4 and 3 of the 4 cage mast BBs are in measure one, the other is still prewar gray. So I'm pegging the re-painting as taking place in May/June.


Red Red White for Nevada, yes. But Oklahoma would be White White White. (Or just White on #2 and White on #4, prior to the extension of the painting to both forward turrets. That was the gist of that late March, 1941 order, right? Extending it to both forward turrets?) And then after changing squadrons with Pennsylvania in late May, 1941 (and all the way through Dec. 7), Oklahoma would be Red Red Blue.

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:doh_1: Yes... that's what I get for trying to do too much at once.

I saw "Nevada class" on the notification and didn't think to read the caption on the drawing Abram has and was thinking Nevada.

Both of them would be Measure 1 with a Measure 5 false bow wave. Not sure about the decks (I.E. painted or natural); I seem to have misplaced my notes for that, but I'm fairly certain from memory that Oklahoma was left natural wood.

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How does this look guys?

USS Oklahoma Ms-1/Ms-5 1941

The darkness of 5-D makes it really hard to see any details.

I'm working on the Nevada right now, it won't be too hard as I can use my Oklahoma drawing. I've found the differences on the Tripod platforms, are there any other major differences between the Oklahoma and Nevada I should know about? Thanks

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ArizonaBB39 wrote:
How does this look guys?

USS Oklahoma Ms-1/Ms-5 1941

The darkness of 5-D makes it really hard to see any details.

I'm working on the Nevada right now, it won't be too hard as I can use my Oklahoma drawing. I've found the differences on the Tripod platforms, are there any other major differences between the Oklahoma and Nevada I should know about? Thanks


Just from looking at the attack/post-attack photos, I see a few things. Nevada had: 1. No external degausing cable 2. Trusswork yardarms on the foretop, like Arizona and Pennsylvania 3. A heavier structural member at the top of the boat cranes, not the cables shown on Oklahoma 4. Some kind of covering (a pipe or something) over much of the length of the cables on the stern crane. 5. A square-aligned birdbath gun platform on the maintop, not diamond-aligned as on Arizona, Pennsylvania, and Oklahoma (don't know if you already caught that one) Most of this can be seen in this shot: http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/013629.jpg
From the photos I've seen, I can't tell whether Nevada had the four 3" AA guns like Oklahoma and Pennsylvania or empty tubs like Arizona. Also, it appears that the blast bags on the lower turrets were dark and the upper ones were light in color. Comparing the stern and bow shots of the crippled Nevada, since the stern ones look the same as the bow ones, I suspect it's not just scorching from the fires forward.

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Thanks Sean, I'll incorporate that into my drawing.

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