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Slawomir Lipiecki, guy from Poland, loves female cats, Heavy Metal and guns. What's wrong with that? Nothing, I love it, but, well, he's an author for Kagero's naval series, so he's a pro.

And that makes it worth talking to him because soon enough he's going to have a book out on Nevada and that white bridge is going to become "a reference", something a lot more serious than a wrong hull shape on a kit.

Marco

If that's the case... Abe do you want me to contact him or coach you on points to present to him?

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Tracy White -Researcher@Large

"Let the evidence guide the research. Do not have a preconceived agenda which will only distort the result."
-Barbara Tuchman

His last public message was around the idea that if he was making any profit out of it, he would take the issue seriously... so I'm not sure he's really interested, although he appears to be more receptive to the white not being there.

Marco

Whichever is fine with me. As Marco said his last message seemed like he was open to learning more. He also mentioned that he will be making new drawings soon with the launch of his new website, so it sounds like a good time to help get it right! You can see our convo in the comments of the initial drawing I asked about.

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-Abram

Fellows,
If someone is working with Mr. Lipiecki, you might also mention to him that the boat cranes he is depicting for Nevada are actually the type used on Oklahoma. Nevada's cranes had a straight upper arm. Oklahoma's were 'angled'.

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Rob

Don't know if people have seen this, but there's a load of real color film of USS Nevada presumably at Pearl Harbor in '42 being pulled into dock some time after being raised, from around 40 minutes into the video. There also seems to be a Colorada class featured (presumably West Virginia) being shunted into dock by tugs, from about 34 minutes into the video.

The whole film is a fascinating insite into that place at that time, but most of the best footage is toward the end. Much of it is best viewed on full screen.

Also the first part (reel 1 of 2) is well worth viewing, and includes a battleship amongst other images around Pearl Harbor.

http://youtu.be/Nr7R83vlmSs

For what it's worth, that's footage shot by [URLhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ford]John Ford[/URL] and his crew for the movie "December 7th."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ford#War_years
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_7th_%28film%29

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Tracy White -Researcher@Large

"Let the evidence guide the research. Do not have a preconceived agenda which will only distort the result."
-Barbara Tuchman

The 1st one is Tennessee - the first frame you can see the fuzzy hull # - the 2nd digit looks like a 3 or 5 & Colorado wasn't there - also @ "16:28" you can see her wrecked x turret (Tennessee took one of the same bombs/14"AP's Arizona did on top of her x turret & catapult). the last one (with the orange turret) is WV - you can see the Torp damage & shoring on her port side @ 35.23.

Tell that to Pol Pot

So.. Back on Topic. Anybody get ahold of the new Blue Ridge Nevada yet?

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-Shane

Dallas, Tx

Working on: Revell 1/426 USS Arizona BB-39

In the Stash: USS Arizona 1/700 Dragon Premium, DKM Bismarck 1/700 Dragon Premium, Admiral Graf Spee 1/700 Trumpeter, & Prinz Eugen 1/700 Trumpeter

First of all - thx for your interest on my drawings.
You can contact me by my e-mail adress: irbis@warships.com.pl
my personal Webpage: www.warships.com.pl
or just via Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001671723340

Best Regards,
John S. Lipiecki

Skimming through the plans of Oklahoma that Tracy posted on his site, http://www.researcheratlarge.com/Ships/BB37/BOGP/RG19AlphaOklahoma157370-2_a.jpg , I noticed that the superstructure deck is labeled as 3" Douglas fir whereas the main and upper decks are listed as 3 1/2' teak. Why the difference? And what kind to color difference would we expect to see? Would the Douglas Fir appear darker than the teak? Now I'm wondering if all the battle line was the same way.

When do the plans date from? Wasn't the Navy doing tests on alternates to teak, considering a shortage in the event of war?

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Martin

"Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday." John Wayne

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Colorado and Maryland were running tests on alternatives (Angelique wood for Maryland and Mangachapoi [Mangachapui in the source docs] on Colorado) at the time of the attack on Pearl Harbor. I haven't seen anything on tests on other ships, but the documentation I have about these tests were something I stumbled upon.

Since there was less blast pressure on the superstructure decks and less rolling around on it, I could see them using a thinner, less durable wood to save money.

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Tracy White -Researcher@Large

"Let the evidence guide the research. Do not have a preconceived agenda which will only distort the result."
-Barbara Tuchman

It's also interesting that the decks above the superstructure deck are labeled as "Mastic deck cover". Any ideas/thoughts on that?

Looks like Varnish of some sort - I see some varient still for sale, but the closest I can find for an official USN description is this.

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Tracy White -Researcher@Large

"Let the evidence guide the research. Do not have a preconceived agenda which will only distort the result."
-Barbara Tuchman

Maybe it has something to do with what looks like brown linoleum in that color photo of the Idaho from 1940? Perhaps they're speaking of mastic in the sense of bituminous tar, coated in brick dust or something after it's applied to the steel deck.

- Sean F.

Great set of plans, BTW. Thanks Tracy for posting. I've spent 1/2 the morning looking over them. I'll have to print them and have them enlarged - they will be useful if and when I start working on the Iron Shipwright 1/350 Okie again.

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Martin

"Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday." John Wayne

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Somewhat related, I spent some time last year "coloring in" the torpedo defense system as well as hits Oklahoma took to better understand what happened:
http://researcheratlarge.blogspot.com/2 ... -pt-i.html
http://researcheratlarge.blogspot.com/2 ... ystem.html

I'd like to do the same with Nevada based on her Damage report so that we can visualize what happened, but I haven't got to it yet.

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Tracy White -Researcher@Large

"Let the evidence guide the research. Do not have a preconceived agenda which will only distort the result."
-Barbara Tuchman

Don't compare the plans to that kit unless you want a few headaches! Hopefully someday we'll see a plastic kit of her.

Looking for any good detail drawings of the Okie's hull. Amazing how you think you know a subject until you actually try to build and detail it. It's for a diorama of the Maryland and Oklahoma in the PH aftermath. So, I'm planning on converting an Arizona hull to the Okie, just using two of the 4 screws, but not being a ship expert, I'd love to see the exact placement of the various details underneath that I'll need to scratchbuild and scribe. PH photos aren't quite enough, I've found.

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