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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 5:35 pm 
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I'll try and repost the pic tonight in the apropos thread. Screen shot was just done with the Windows snipping tool, which been around since Windows 7 and is quite handy but not often known.

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Fair Use statement, just in case Getty has some bored lawyers: These screen captures are exceprts from Getty Image's copy of Wazee Archival clip #594655237 and are posted for the purpose of discussion and education.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:28 pm 
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Jeff Sharp wrote:
Thanks Tracy!
Couple of observations:
Her decks definitely look painted.
Notice that large black band at the top of the stack.
Also, did you see those dark bands on the deck around turret 1 and 3 of that cruiser? That's a look I have not seen before.


I'm not so sure about painted; the aft deck certainly looks dark, but it's also definitely wet. Note the reflections of the bright white sailor uniforms. Teak gets a lot darker when wet.

Also, I think that's probably the Nevada ahead of her in line at the very beginning of that film clip.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:58 pm 
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Great video guys. I still think and really believe some of those decks were painted, at least on some of the BB's. Tennessee, Oklahoma and especially the Nevada, but unfortunately all we will ever be able to do is speculate. We all know the Navy was experimenting with different types of paint and which ones would work best in the pacific. I also know that the decks of these battlewagons were not ordered to be painted yet, but I wonder if they were and there's just no written proof. If there was proof, then it went down with those ships or they have been lost with time. I find this topic, the turret top colors and the Arizona's very interesting. I wish like many, it would be as simple as asking an old Navy sailor these questions, but most of them have passed and the ones who are alive just don't remember. I know on a personal level, life in the Navy becomes repetitive. You do the same thing over and over and you honestly just don't pay attention to painting that ship or doing the bright work anymore. It just becomes second nature.

Something I've thought about concerning the Nevada. There were work barges tide up along side her on December 7th. Are there any records as to what those barges were tending to? Maybe her decks were literally just painted on the 5th or 6th and the documentation didn't get back to the proper authorities confirming the decks had been completed. Also, 20 B was not suppose to be in fleet wide use yet, could the decks have been painted a deck gray, like they used on the decks of destroyers. just a thought.


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Deck logs might state what specific barges came along side, if they survived. There are records out there for details that haven't been plumbed yet that might also speak to decks. For the Arizona Question, I've gone through at least (in order of memory/that I hit):
Puget Sound Navy Yard (overhauls)
Mare Island Navy Yard (Paint Manufacture)
Pearl Harbor Navy Yard
CINCPAC
CINCLANT
ComBatFor
ComBatBatFor
ComCruBatFor
BuShips
Still need to go through COM14 (Commander of the 14th Naval District) and many others.

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On Nevada's starboard side was YD-240 which was off loading ammo and on the port side was the garbage lighter YG-17. I'm assuming she was there for the trash?


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SeanF wrote:
Jeff Sharp wrote:
Thanks Tracy!
Couple of observations:
Her decks definitely look painted.
Notice that large black band at the top of the stack.
Also, did you see those dark bands on the deck around turret 1 and 3 of that cruiser? That's a look I have not seen before.


I'm not so sure about painted; the aft deck certainly looks dark, but it's also definitely wet. Note the reflections of the bright white sailor uniforms. Teak gets a lot darker when wet.

Also, I think that's probably the Nevada ahead of her in line at the very beginning of that film clip.

- Sean F.


Hi Sean, I see what you mean about the reflection on the deck. Also, I agree that is Nevada in front of her.


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I'm in the process of converting a 1/700 USS Arizona hull to a USS Oklahoma hull for a diorama of the tragedy alongside the Maryland. Trying to figure out the position of the screws (2 instead of 4 of course) and am not quite finding what I need. Although technically I'm only using one screw (starboard, the one partly exposed).

As I see it my options are either to put the single starboard screw somewhere halfway between the positions of the Arizona's two, or to simply mount it to the existing outer position. I'm inclined to believe the former.

I defer to your wisdom; thanks!

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JollyRoger61, 1/72 or 1/720 scale. look at the middle drawing leftside to see the props location. http://www.researcheratlarge.com/Ships/ ... 70-5_a.jpg


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DavidP wrote:
JollyRoger61, 1/72 or 1/720 scale. look at the middle drawing leftside to see the props location. http://www.researcheratlarge.com/Ships/ ... 70-5_a.jpg


Whoops, my bad...I'm used to typing 72 for aircraft....
yes, I meant 700....


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:28 am 
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If it helps, I have the "same" sheet for Arizona posted here for comparison.

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USS Nevada 1943. Photo National Archives via Roger Torgeson.
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Research mob strikes again!

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I don't know if these will answer the question about whether the Pearl Harbor Battleships had painted decks (some of them anyway) or what colors they were painted. I think some were and some weren't. But these overhead views taken on 10 December 1941 provide different views that are NOT commonly seen. Something I had never paid attention to was how far ARIZONA was pulled away from her moorings by the blast.

Please note that the sun angle was low, photos taken around 0900 in the morning.

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BB-38 PENNSYLVANIA and CL-50 HELENA IN DRYDOCKS
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BB-39 ARIZONA, BB-43 TENNESSEE, and BB-48 WEST VIRGINIA. Two views taken from different angles.
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BB-44 CALIFORNIA
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BB-46 MARYLAND
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BB-46 MARYLAND, BB-37 OKLAHOMA, BB-43 TENNESSEE, BB-48 WEST VIRGINIA, and BB-39 ARIZONA. Two views taken at slightly different times at focus points.
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If anyone ever had doubts about painted turret tops, those photos clearly confirm their presence for sure.

Thanks for posting them Rick!

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Timmy C wrote:
If anyone ever had doubts about painted turret tops, those photos clearly confirm their presence for sure.


Those who still have their doubts aren't going to be swayed by such photos, unfortunately.

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Unfortunately, due to the limits to the size of posted images here (between Photobucket and Modelwarships limitations so that super size images don't choke the internet :scratch: , these large area images even taken with a USN Recon large format camera, don't yield as much detail as having them on one's computer (particularly the newer iMac 4K hi-res screens :big_grin: ).

If anyone wants or needs a closer crop view of an area in one of these images, I can do a close crop and post it.


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Thanks Rick for these! Can you zoom in on Nevada's #1 and #2 turrets from the first pic you posted? I know that before the fleet was painted in MS-1 both her and Arizona only had their #2 tops painted red after their refits in Jan. '41. The #1 tops on both ships were not red. I've often wondered if this was still the case after they were painted into MS-1. It definitely appears that only #2 is painted.


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Jeff, http://www.researcheratlarge.com/Ships/ ... kings.html


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DavidP wrote:


Not all ships appeared to conform to that. I'm still researching however, to see if I can find any orders or pattern in textual records before I make any changes.

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whether the Pearl Harbor Battleships had painted decks (some of them anyway


In these views, and given the relative contrasts between ships, it appears to me that PA, MD, WV and CA had unpainted decks. Just my opinion, based solely on these photos. FWIW.


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