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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:25 am 
My father served as a CQMA on the USS Nevada (BB36) from 20 Nov 44 through to the end of the war. Understandably, I'd wonder of anyone remembers him, especially anyone in the Puget Sound area. His name was Tom Raywood. Post image if I knew how.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:16 am 
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Aloha Guest - I'm guessing you live in the Puget Sound area?

I know of a vet off of the California that hangs out at the Veterans Memorial Museum in Chehalis, you might contact them to see if they know of anyone from Nevada. There doesn't seem to be a reunion association any more...

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 1:58 pm 
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Hi,
I am new to this forum. I am building a model of the USS Nevada. I recently finished casting, assembling and painting several of the 5in 51 Caliber secondary guns. All the photos of these guns are in black and white. With that, one can tell the components of the guns that are painted or left natural metal however, one cannot not tell the type of metal they are. I know the training and elevating rollers are brass, but thats about it. Spcifically, I'd like to know the type of metal used in the breech area of the gun. Any help on this would bw apprected. Thanks

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Here's a color shot of one of Olympia's 5"/51s.
http://vicsocotra.com/2010_stories/9-30-10-spirits2.jpg

Here's a color shot of a transport circa 1942. Note that the brass wheels are painted (may not even be brass) but other smaller fittings are left natural metal, notable the recoil portion of the barrel.
http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_5-51_mk7.htm

Here's some shots of Texas' 5"/51s. Note the breeches and a majority of the guns are painted, save for the brass wheels. This might be because its a museum ship, she was demilitarized, and/or she had different models of the guns that did away unnecessary brass fittings. Don't know though, just making some educated guesses, sorry.
http://www.ctomscott.com/5in.htm

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Cliffy,
Thanks for the posting. I hadn't seen that photo of Olympia's 5"/51. While the photos of both the Texas's and Olympia's guns show them painted pretty much all over, I am sure that was done by the museum staff to avoid the maintenance required of bare metal. All photo's I've seen of active service ships show bare metal around the breech area of the guns.

On the photo of Olympia's 5"/51, I noticed what appears to be spots of rust around the breech. That strongly suggest that that portion of the gun must have been steel. Also, the bottom of last ring that attaches to the recoil cylinders appears to show brass. Perhaps some of the black paint flaked off in that area? Very interesting!

Well, in lieu of anything else, I will go ahead and paint my next gun that way. I'll post a pic in the next day or two.

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Here are a couple of pics of my 5"/51 painted the way I think they might have looked. The "painted" parts of the gun are in 5D for Measure 1. The breech area is in white metal while the recoil ring is brass.


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Wow. Nice work. What scale?

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What Martin said! I'd love to know more.

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I don't have any manuals for that gun, so I have absolutely no proof for this, but I think brass is too soft of a metal for the recoil ring, as you put it.

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The recoil portion of a gun barrel is simply unpainted natural metal as I understand it. Maybe its coated with something but I don't think its a different kind of metal, could be wrong.

The guns look great man! You missed the brass parts of the sights though. Look at the NavWeaps photo and you'll see what I mean.

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Guys,
Thanks for the feedback. I know that brass was used on guns. And I agree with you that brass is a very soft non-ferrous metal. It would make sense that the ring around the breech would be steel for structural reasons. I took another pass looking at all the pictures I have of this gun. In the black and white photos I can't distinguish any textural differences nor shades of grey nor brightness differences between the ring and the barrel. So, I would have to conclude from that that you are correct. Thats an easy fix.

Cliffy - you are right about the sights being brass. I'll have to make that change as well.

For those interested, most of the elements of the gun were cast using 2 part urethane in using RTV molds. Not being familiar with that technology, I can tell you there were months and months of trial and error before I could actually cast the various elements of the gun. I certainly would not say its a great representation of a 5"/51. Alot more detail could be added. But for my purposes, its adequate. Most of the gun is hidden in the casement.

The model I am building is Nevada as she appeared on December 7th. Its 1/48th scale and will be an R/C model.

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While doing some searching on google I found some art work I found interesting. Why have the artists colored parts of the bridge/superstructure of Nevada white/5-L?

http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/ ... 4s8l98.jpg

http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs13/f/2007/ ... s_Nala.jpg

These were both found through a google search and are from the site http://www.deviantart.com

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Not sure if it suggests anything, but the author of both those pieces are "signed" as the same person.

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ArizonaBB39 wrote:
While doing some searching on google I found some art work I found interesting. Why have the artists colored parts of the bridge/superstructure of Nevada white/5-L?

http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/ ... 4s8l98.jpg

http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs13/f/2007/ ... s_Nala.jpg

These were both found through a google search and are from the site http://www.deviantart.com


Maybe he got the idea from this pic and what he took for 5-L or white is actually fire damage or primer (?).

Pic courtesy of Navsource.


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I thought that was a possibility too Jon. I messaged the artist, so we'll see what they have to say.

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I think if you look closely at that picture of Nevada, you will see sunlight reflecting off the sides of the bridge. That combined with the paint damage gives one the impression that that portion of the superstruction was white. Here is a better image of that part of the ship. Its all measure 1 5D.


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Well I got a reply from the artist and they are dead set on believing it is white. Here are the replies:

ME:I would like to know why it is you have colored parts of the bridge/superstructure white? Thanks.

The Artist:That is one of the reasons: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... -19940.jpg

ME:What are the other reasons? These pictures all show the same area not white:
http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/013662.jpg
http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/013632.jpg
http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/013661.jpg
http://navsource.org/archives/01/036/013630.jpg
http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/013600c.jpg

It looks more like fire damage to me. The drawing is great, I'm not saying it isn't I was just curious about your color choice. Thanks


The Artist:The battleship was repaint after attack (1942 standard).
Even white false-bow wave disappeared...
Fire damage could destroy a paint, but not make STS or MS / HTS steel to be white (it should be dark grey).
Here is painting sheme on both sides of superstructute (navigation bridge):

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... attack.jpg
http://www.nps.gov/history/history/onli ... /fig16.jpg
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/6738/45813820.jpg

...and on my painting:

http://lioness-nala.deviantart.com/art/ ... 75880&qo=4

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I don't think it's worth our time to argue with them. =P

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Jesus... where to beging with?

It's clearly fire damage.

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Yet, the picture with the "white" bridge is while the ship is still burning.

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Fire damage could destroy a paint, but not make STS or MS / HTS steel to be white (it should be dark grey).


It didn't have to. White or light grey aren't the only colours that show up as white or light grey on B&W pictures, for heavens' sake. Inform the smart lad that it could actually be any shade of orange or red... you know, the kind of shades you get on burnt-out metals. The kind you use in primers, even.

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Not sure of gender....

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