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PostPosted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 10:28 am 
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After one day of research I have the following notes for those looking to do
USS Texas as she appeared from Feb 1944 - Oct 12, 1944. This is not a complete
list of differences from other fits, but ones I have noticed so far.

1) A complete reworking of the mainmast. Aft conning tower has no platform and
and boxes around the legs. Searchlight platform and air defense platform are
combined: 20mm on port forward and starboard aft with splinter shield; searchlights
on starboard forward and port aft with railing. Tear-drop shaped sky control platform
with radar mast forward topped by SK radar and SG radar lower.

2) Box shape structure attached to the aft part of the midship tower(kit pcs G3 and N4).
Bottom starts just above vent on kit piece N4. Support posts from aft corners to 01 deck.
Tops is just below window openings on kit piece G3.

3) Scratch build as no kit piece is provided for a rectangular structure at the base of the stack starboard side.

4) Foremast: Kit pieces M19 and M21 are correct configuration for this time. However, kit piece N1 only
the lower portion is present during this time period(Edit, I am not so sure about the N1 piece at this time).
There is also a tall antenna on a platform just above the signal yards

Hopefully others interested in this configuration will share their findings.

Those interested in the 1945 layout should check this outhttp://maritime.org/doc/plans/bb35.pdf


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2015 1:51 am 
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Hi guys

Of all the 1/350 models I have made and that I have in the stash I don't have one (1) single US Battleship. When the Trumpeter USS New York BB34 came out I thought is was ok but now that the USS Texas BB35 is out I am hooked and ready to order.
Question relates to the deck, I know Pontos does a great A/M set for New York but I am happy just to use kit etch & any extras I have in the stash for my Texas.

Would an aftermarket wooden deck for the New York work or fit on the Texas kit deck?

Thanks in advance.
Peter Hoskins
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 11:10 am 
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Peter,

The decks of both ships are very different. So the Pontos deck will only fit the New York....

I have the same issue, so now the wait begins!


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 2:44 am 
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Thanks for the reply Prowler, so if I purchased the USS New York & the Pontos Set could I paint (Camo) it the way the USS Texas is shown? Would that be accurate?

Thanks again, as I have no real knowledge of US BB's from WW2.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 3:36 am 
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No, the ships were different in a couple aspects. Just wait a little, Pontos has said they will release a Texas set, since 90% of the photoetch is interchangeable between the two ships.

Check the last 2 pictures of this thread, it shows a side by side of the main structures of the NY and Texas

viewtopic.php?f=16&t=159182

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 5:15 pm 
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Thanks JT for the link, I had no idea Pontos was doing a set for USS Texas, looks so good.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2015 9:20 pm 
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Hi all, I am looking to backdate either Trumpeter BB-34 or 35 to an 'as originally built' version. I have both kits in my stash and would like to have an original and a late WWII New York Class side by side. I have been wanting to build a cage mast BB for quite some time and since now 3D printed masts have become available, this might be the right time to get started on the project.
Since I have little experience with ships (I am mostly an armor modeler...) I was wondering how feasible this would be. Which of the two kits would be most suitable and what aftermarket/detailing sets would come in handy? For instance: I have been looking for cage masts, preferably 3D prints, but can't seem to find any in 1/350.
And generally, there is little or no information on a similar project.
I understand a lot of conversion and scratch building would be involved, but I don't mind that. Any thoughts, pointers, reference sources, etc...from more experienced ship builders?


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2015 10:45 am 
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Johan72, if you want 1 original as in when 1st commissioned then you have to totally take the anti-torpedo bulges off & make new sides for the hull. it can be done but is upto you. I'm doing the new York at the beginning of the war & the texas at the end of the war using kitbashed revell 1/426 Arizona hulls.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2015 9:14 pm 
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Right, I guess that summons up what I need to do first: get good reference material. For my Dreadnought project, I bought a book called 'Anatomy of the Ship' that has detail drawings. Is there a similar source for the New york class?
Is your project on this forum?


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:31 am 
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DavidP wrote:
I'm doing the new York at the beginning of the war & the texas at the end of the war using kitbashed revell 1/426 Arizona hulls.

Interesting! Could you please elaborate a little or point me to where I can see and read more on your project? Whe you say kitbash, what other kits are you using?


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 1:31 pm 
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just the Arizona hull & main turrets\guns. the hull is shortened in length & belt sanded to the grind the hull down to the right height at the bow & stern to give it a flush deck look. hull casements are redone to correct configuration after widening the stern a bit. the main turrets have to be narrowed & shortened in length.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2015 2:03 am 
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Thanks guys for the previous assist with the Trumpeter 1/350 USS Texas which is now on order. I have one question, please understand I know very little about US Navy, so, did the USS Texas ever have the aircraft launcher removed or not fitted on the mid turret during her operation service?

Thanks in advance.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2015 8:06 pm 
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Hey Peter H

At least one time during her WW2 service where it was removed 22 May 1944 at Belfast, N. Ireland and
reinstalled on 25 July 1944 at Oran, Algeria. This is according to captions from "USS Texas- Squadron At Sea".


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 1:54 am 
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Hi Prowler, JT, Plastic, & Tracy and everyone else who has helped. My 1/350 Trumpeter USS Texas is on its way to me in Sydney. I have been a bit "stale" recently & hope this kit gets me back on track.

Question I have relates to the instruction page with Step 4 making of the AA units. I can see there is etch for the single guns, but (J18 make 12) And (J 8,9,10, 11 make 8) Can or Are both of these types available as aftermarket ? I guess Vetran ? Again US BB's are new to me so any help is appreciated.

Thanks again all who have assisted.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 3:20 am 
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Theres aftermarket for nearly everything. The pontos kit includes barrels for all weapons, as well as Veteran Models 40mm quad bofors.

J2+PE-D5 parts (20mm Oerlikons) - L'arsenal, Flyhawk, Alliance Modelworks, Master Models, 3DModelParts, and I think a few more

J8,J9,J10,J11 + PE-D3 (40mm quad Bofors) - L'arsenal, Flyhawk, Alliance Modelworks, Orange Hobby, Lion Roar, Veteran Models, Fine Molds

J4,J6,J7,J18 (3/50mm) - L'Arsenal, Niko Model

H8 (5/51mm) - I think only brass barrels are available.



Check out places like Freetime Hobbies for a good selection.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 4:57 am 
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Thank you so much JT, will start to look @ ordering the AM sets this weekend.

Again, thanks

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 6:52 pm 
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Accurately shaped twin 14" turrets of both types (there are subtle differences between the superfiring and the main deck level turrets) are also available:

http://www.shapeways.com/shops/Model_Mo ... +Ships&s=0

The differences in the 3D-printed designs and the Trumpeter kits' turrets include:

1. the shape of the glacis. The real turrets' glacis was gently curved. The Trumpeter kits' glacis is inaccurately flat.
2. the Model Monkey turret aprons of superfiring Turrets 2 & 4 have fewer gussets than main deck Turrets 1, 3 & 5, just like the real turrets.
3. Model Monkey Turrets 2 & 4, just like the real turrets, have small, asymmetrical rangefinder hoods near the front (Turrets 1, 3 & 5 have no rangefinders). The kits' rangefinders are too small and inaccurately symmetrical. The real rangefinder hoods were not the same size, left and right.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2015 4:05 am 
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Thanks Steve

Much appreciated, will look into these turrets.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2015 10:38 pm 
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Plastic Habit wrote:
.......Those interested in the 1945 layout should check this outhttp://maritime.org/doc/plans/bb35.pdf


This is the Booklet of General Plans updated in 7/44 as it shows on the left side. She went through some minor mods at New York before going out to the Pacific...

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 11:46 pm 
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Yes, it does obviously show the alterations date in 7/44, but who's to say that the plans that are shown ever got the 10/44 alterations entry.

Or, this is a little more far fetched, is that the first page comes from the 7/44 BGP and the rest of the pages are from 10/44. Of course this is
very speculative, but if you look at the word Page in the upper right corner only the first page has a different 'G' -having a vertical leg.
But like I said very far fetched.

Even with the date of 7/44 and the overhaul of 10/44, my point is that you can still use the drawings from the BGP for a 1945 look.

Lets look at the evidence.

Installation of cross-loop antenna for DAK radio direction finder on platform attached aft of forward battle lookout
Installed 10/44, shown in talked about BGP.

New platforms and compartments on mainmast: new radar & fire control compartment, an enclosed lookout compartment, new 20mm ammo clipping room
Installed 10/44, shown in BGP.

Radar platform: SG radar mounted above SK radar.
Not sure if this was 7/44 or 10/44, but is present in 1945. Shown in BGP.

And the coup de gras: installation of the Mk 50 director.
10/44, shown in BGP.


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