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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2017 6:48 pm 
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Sean,

I think the booth is there on the drydock overhead shot with HELENA & PENNSYLVANIA. That's a great photo, BTW!!! Thanks, Rick E. Davis :thumbs_up_1:

And your P.H. Diorama is spectacular - extremely impressive. Kudos on that effort!!!

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USS NEW JERSEY (BB-62) 67-69 1:200
USS PENNSYLVANIA (BB-38) Late 1940 1:200
USS STODDARD (DD-566) 66-68 1:144
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USN Sloop/Ship PEACOCK (1813) 1:48
ROYAL CAROLINE (1748) 1:47
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 9:17 pm 
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About Pennsylvania's 1945 refit.... I have a couple questions.
1. How many twin 20mm were installed. I know of one on the forward most mount on turret 2.
2. The small antenna on top of the mainmast where the Mk. 3 antenna used to be?


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:21 am 
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Trying to figure out the arrangement of railings on the upper/boat deck around the big twin 5" on her '44/'45 configurations...so tough to see no matter how many photos I stare at. Should I just assume that, other than room enough for the 5" mounts to turn, there should be railings there, everywhere along the edge?


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JollyRoger61 wrote:
Trying to figure out the arrangement of railings on the upper/boat deck around the big twin 5" on her '44/'45 configurations...so tough to see no matter how many photos I stare at. Should I just assume that, other than room enough for the 5" mounts to turn, there should be railings there, everywhere along the edge?

It doesn't appear to be any around the 5" mounts and 20mm gun tubs. http://navsource.org/archives/01/038/013805d.jpg
Those gun tubs are still there in '45. http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/013801.jpg
But, some railings were install along the deck with the 5" mounts after the 20mm tubs and some 5" mounts removed before the atom bomb tests. http://navsource.org/archives/01/038/013809t.jpg


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 3:09 pm 
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no railings around 5" gun mounts
20 October 1944 http://navsource.org/archives/01/038/013844s.jpg
Seen after the last wartime refit, June, 1945 http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/013837.jpg
12 August 1945 http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/013850.jpg


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2017 12:28 am 
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Thanks!

Another one, , this time a dumb Ms 21 question for the Penn in '44/45. (I posted this question in the general discussion as a general painting question, then thought better of it and reposted here)

Reading the Ms 21 qualifications, describing 5N being applied to "all vertical surfaces." I guess I was under the impression that the deck blue was only on the actual walking decks and everything else being in 5N. Unlike, for instance, Ms 22 in which even the main armament barrels had their upper surfaces in deck blue? So I'm wondering how this applies to the deck gear and main gun turrets....on the Pennsy '44/45; at first glance seems like they're all solid 5N top and sides...?

Hope this makes sense...?


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JollyRoger61 wrote:
Reading the Ms 21 qualifications, describing 5N being applied to "all vertical surfaces." I guess I was under the impression that the deck blue was only on the actual walking decks and everything else being in 5N. Unlike, for instance, Ms 22 in which even the main armament barrels had their upper surfaces in deck blue? So I'm wondering how this applies to the deck gear and main gun turrets....on the Pennsy '44/45; at first glance seems like they're all solid 5N top and sides...?

Hope this makes sense...?

While it is harder to discern from photos, if applied correctly, Deck Blue 20B would be on all horizontal surfaces - all decks, turret tops, main battery gun barrels, tops of directors, etc., even on Ms21.

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Regarding the stern gun tub fitted to the very end of the fantail in '44/45, I'm seeing triangular braces in the line drawing I have but can't see in any photos. I'm guessing either 3 or 5 of them, but can't be sure. Anyone have a definitive answer on this?

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not exactly triangular shaped but close enough. http://navsource.org/archives/01/038/013812d.jpg


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 10:32 am 
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Thanks David! Disappointing to see the Dragon kit is wrong in that the tub is significantly raised above the deck. Too late now, grrr...

Another question now with that view; was the actual lettering of the ship's name physically removed?? I would have thought it to be just painted over, with the raised "bumps" of the letters visible if up close, but it looks as if they've been completely removed? Or is it just hard to tell?


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I would say physically removed as I don't see any shadow lines from painted over lettering.


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Here is another view of the stern and the support structure under the 20-mm platform taken from a lower aspect angle.

The letters of USS PENNSYLVANIA name would still be there. But, you need a pretty close-up image to see the painted over name.


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as you can see the welded over port holes which are not armored so not thick at all then should still see the shadow lines of the raised lettering of the name & I don't see them.


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The hull numbers were weld lines on the hull plating. These served as location guides for painting. Missouri had both the full size outlines and the smaller outlines used during the war welded on her bows. They are almost impossible to see unless you are right up on them and the lighting is right.


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they didn't do welding at the tine the Pennsylvania was built


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A view of USS PENNSYLVANIA name on her stern during the 1920's, her name remained in that location in the 1930s.

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A view of the stern of USS TENNESSEE in March 1942 showing her name which was outlined by rivets (or welds). Very hard to see in the full frame image.

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USS PENNSYLVANIA letters would be pretty small at any distance and not anywhere as high off the hull as the porthole plates.


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