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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2018 1:12 am 
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I have Floating Drydock's 1945 Pennsylvania drawings. Last year I ordered them in 1/96 scale. Well worth the money, 3 scrolls. And they are huge. About 8 ft. long and 30-31 in. wide.


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I have Floating Drydock's 1945 Pennsylvania drawings. Last year I ordered them in 1/96 scale. Well worth the money, 3 scrolls. And they are huge. About 8 ft. long and 30-31 in. wide.

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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2018 9:34 am 
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got my floating drydock 1/192 scale plans of the Nevada, Pennsylvania & the Maryland, all late war plus the frames drawing of the post modernized Texas as a freebie middle of last week.


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I think one of the best photos, and description, for any 1945 US battleship fit is in the Navsource.org photo archive for the USS Pennsylvania.
The photo is http://navsource.org/archives/01/038/013801c.jpg showing the Pennsylvania in June 1945 at Hunters Point. But what is great is the identification and description of most, if not all, the various antennas , etc. that were upgraded/added to her. She was even given some of the newest gun directors that even the Iowa class didn't get until after the war.

But the description of the various bits and pieces help identify the strange looking things that sprouted all over US battleships in the last year of the war.

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After Pearl Harbor, were the second hawse pipe on each side of the Pennsylvania removed? I see only one hawse hole on each side on the booklet of general plans.

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Yes - see this photo - http://navsource.org/archives/01/038/013874a.jpg

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Here's the overhead view, which also shows her rigged for Paravanes for those who are interested.

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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 8:50 am 
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bioshock73 wrote:
I have Floating Drydock's 1945 Pennsylvania drawings. Last year I ordered them in 1/96 scale. Well worth the money, 3 scrolls. And they are huge. About 8 ft. long and 30-31 in. wide.


Thanks for that info. I'm starting adapting my 1/1200 Arizona hull into a 1945 Pennsylvania hull and will have to get a set of those plans before I really spend any meaningful time on it.

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do not get the "G" series version of the 1945 Pennsylvania which I did as the top views does not match the side profile. I'm using the warship series #2 Keystone Battlewagon USS Pennsylvania to get the locations of the 14" barbetts that are different in the FD plans plus the hull casements.
try this, Booklet of General Plans for Pennsylvania as of March 1945 http://www.researcheratlarge.com/Ships/BB38/BOGP/


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I have a question for you folks, it is in regards to the Degaussing cables that are present on the Arizona hull near the gunnel. Now I have noticed in some of the photo's Pennsylvania had the same cables run in gunnels instead of outside the hull. Can anyone verify this?

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Original design had them in the water channels but they were moved into the interiors of the ships later on during refits. Arizona didn't survive long enough for this to happen to her, but Pennsylvania did. Not 100% sure of when though as I haven't gone through her departure reports.

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Hi Tracy,

The reason for the question was the Arizona in the underwater hull survey those cables are in plain site on the bow area. As for accuracy I think the mention of this would apply to those who strive for accurate representation of this ship as it would have looked on 7 Dec. Moreover the Oklahoma had her cables on the outer hull as seen in Navsource.


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Does anyone know where I can find a paravane rigging diagram for the Pennsylvania after the 1942 refit? If she was equipped like the Arizona then she would have had a set paravane tackles under her original forefoot already in her pre-war fit. But during the war a large new forward extension to the forefoot was added. This gave her underwater stem an unusually pronounced ram like profile, much more pronounced than any other American dreadnought battleship and matching some 19th century pre-dreadnoughts. The only reason for it seems to be to add another set of paravane tackles. Why?

Also, The available photos leaves me confused how the paravan chain works after the 1942 refit. It seems there are 2 runs of chains on each side. But each chain run simply loops around a pulley on deck. There seems to be no capstan or winch controlling their movement. How do they work?


Also, when the Pennsylvania was refiited in 1942, all her hull side scuttles were all plated over, and in exchange, it appears she acquired a number of new bucket vents on deck similar to those on new fast battleships to make up for the loss of ventilation. Does anyone have any photos of these vents?

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Your best bet is going to be the microfilm plans at NARA in College Park, Maryland. There is a collection of about 30 rolls for the BB-38 class spanning pretty much their entire life. I took a look but it was way more work and cost than I could handle.

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Hmmm, unfortunately I moved across the country to CA. So visiting college park is not really an option.


I have another question. There is a photo of the upturned bottom of the Nevada after she had capsized from being used as gunnery target in 1947 or 1948. It clearly shows the ship had multiple docking keels underneath her bottom. Nevada and Pennsylvania classes were in many ways very similar in design and layout. On some of the booklet's of general plans for the Pennsylvania, the midship transverse section clearly show two docking keels on either side of the hull just inboard of where the torpedo blister joins the hull. But I have not found any complete set of transverse sections showing the ship's cross section at other frames.

Unfortunately the docking keels are omitted from FDD's plans for the Pennsylvania. (Incidentally, FDD's profile also incorrectly draws the Pennsylvania with twin shafts, although the hull line drawings clearly show 4 sets of shaft brackets) Does anyone know where I can find any illustration of where the docking keels are on the bottom of the Pennsylvania?

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chuck, look at these links tho for Arizona if you haven't seen them before.
1st link, look at bottom drawing. http://www.researcheratlarge.com/Ships/ ... B39_08.jpg
2nd link, is this the drawing(top drawing) you are talking about that shows two docking keels? http://www.researcheratlarge.com/Ships/ ... B39_09.jpg

I've talked to the new owner of FDD about the 2 props issue with the Pennsylvania drawing. copy of my email to him & his response 14/5/2019
"Thanks David,

I will see what I can do to correct that. I may have to temporarily attach a note to that point after research it more.

Thanks for the attention to detail.

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Quoting David Perry <ffg7@bell.net>:

> Randy, I was probably the last buyer of Tom's drawings before it went
> to you in which I bought a copy of G-BB38 USS PENNSYLVANIA BB38. I
> found a problem with the outboard profile of that ship in that it
> shows 1 prop & shaft http://www.floatingdrydock.com/TFW2.htm not 2 it
> is supposed to have like on the real ship.
>
> Machinery, 31,500 SHP; Geared Turbines, 4 screws.
> http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/38a.htm
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Hi, David

Yes, i’ve Seen the midship section drawing with the two docking keels. I’ve not seen the other section drawings. However these do not show the docking keels.

This newspaper photo of the Nevada https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/data/batches/dlc_2feininger_ver01/data/sn83045462/00280605025/1948080201/0249.pdf, capsized and sinking after being used as gunnery target, shows several docking keels under her bow.

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Does anyone know where the armored door to Pennsylvania's conning tower is? Is there any photo of the door?

In trumpeter's 1/200 Arizona, no door or hatch is depicted.


In booklet of general plans, also there is no indication of any door.


Is the conning tower accessed from below through a floor hatch?

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Chuck,

The entrances (2) to the armored barbette on BB-38 are in the rear of the barbette on the Signal Bridge Level and also on the Emergency Cabin Platform. Here is a clip from her Dec. 1931 joiner plan:
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I seriously doubt that there were any changes made to these entrances in her rebuild following Pearl Harbor's damage.

Hope this helps!

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Chuck,

I seriously doubt that there were any changes made to these entrances in her rebuild following Pearl Harbor's damage.

Hope this helps!


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