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Which were the best 1930's pre-war battleships built?
Poll ended at Fri Jul 28, 2006 10:55 am
King George V class (Britain) 17%  17%  [ 4 ]
Jean Bart class (France) 13%  13%  [ 3 ]
Bismarck class (Germany) 4%  4%  [ 1 ]
Vittorio Veneto class (Italy) 9%  9%  [ 2 ]
North Carolina class (United States) 13%  13%  [ 3 ]
South Dakota class (United States} 43%  43%  [ 10 ]
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 11:16 am 
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Betelguese90 wrote:
Progress on a 1/700 Trumpeter USS South Dakota I am currently working on. Used brass barrels, scratch built blast bags from putty, using small brass chain and Tom's photo etch sheets.


Which fit are you building? Trumpeters ship is post Savo Island right? But reasonably accurate otherwise? Does it need huge work (like Washington)?

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Betelguese90 wrote:
Progress on a 1/700 Trumpeter USS South Dakota I am currently working on. Used brass barrels, scratch built blast bags from putty, using small brass chain and Tom's photo etch sheets.


Which fit are you building? Trumpeters ship is post Savo Island right? But reasonably accurate otherwise? Does it need huge work (like Washington)?



Correct, the kit is actually of the South Dakota in her final layout in 1945. I predated mine to just before that but after Savo Island. I pulled this from my review of the kit. Nothing catastrophic, but some big errors that can be fixed with scratch work.

So for accuracy on the overall model: there are actually several insistence that scratchbuilding and modification was needed to be accurate to the true South Dakota.
1. It is missing the forward 20mm location behind the 40mm Bofors at the bow of the model.
2. The kit is completely missing the yardarms so had to scratch build them.
3. The area around the officer quarters (where the missing 5" would be located) actually is not accurate in the sense that the 40mm 'overhang' is to low and should be a level higher.
5. A wall should be just behind the 20mm which was the officer quarters rather then it being empty space.
6. Missing platform extending out from the director structure towards the aft mast.
7. Spot light overhang is to high and needs to be lowered slightly.
8. 40mm director platform on the aft main battery director structure is to large and needs to be shortened

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 4:14 am 
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Some images of the completed build


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Complete:
1/700 USS California BB-44 (Trumpeter)
1/700 USS South Dakota BB-57 (Trumpeter)

in progress:
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1/700 USS Houston CL-81

Waiting Drydock
1/700 USS Guam CB-2
1/700 Sigourney DD-643
1/700 USS South Dakota BB-49
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The Trumpeter 1/700 South Dakota kit is strange. I dont know what exact date the kit represent but I guess mid 1944 and onwards.
Did USS South Dakota had 4 (like the Trumpeter kit is depicted)or 6 40mm directors in late 1944 around the funnels near the MK 37 directors. ? In some close up pictures of early and mid 1945 it has 6 tubs instead of 4 like the Trumpeter kit(3 on each side) with 40mm directors, did she receive an upgrade sometime late 1944 early 1945 ? Thanks in advance.

Betelguese90: Great build ! :thumbs_up_1:


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 4:59 pm 
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Atma wrote:
The Trumpeter 1/700 South Dakota kit is strange. I dont know what exact date the kit represent but I guess mid 1944 and onwards.
Did USS South Dakota had 4 (like the Trumpeter kit is depicted)or 6 40mm directors in late 1944 around the funnels near the MK 37 directors. ? In some close up pictures of early and mid 1945 it has 6 tubs instead of 4 like the Trumpeter kit(3 on each side) with 40mm directors, did she receive an upgrade sometime late 1944 early 1945 ? Thanks in advance.

Betelguese90: Great build ! :thumbs_up_1:



The Trumpeter kit is supposed to represent the South Dakota in her last refit in 1945. She had a refit in August 1943. than another in August 1944 following the damage she received at Guam in July 1944 than her final refit in late 1945. But to answer your question, it's an inaccuracy with the model. There were 3 on either side just below the MK 37 directors.

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1/700 USS South Dakota BB-57 (Trumpeter)

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1/700 USS Montana BB-67
1/700 USS Houston CL-81

Waiting Drydock
1/700 USS Guam CB-2
1/700 Sigourney DD-643
1/700 USS South Dakota BB-49


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 9:36 pm 
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Hey Betelguese it's Gary (I sent you BB-44 parts) nice build BTW, anyways I have many parts you can have incl; barrels with blastbags , brass masts that I taper myself, all kinds of stuff if you need? Let me know.I've made blastbags with putty in the past and they were ok but I've had better results with the plastic bags drilled out to fit the brass barrels. You are close so if ya do need something all free and I'll put in the mail. Best to ya, Gary Runnalls


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Hey all,
Normally a submarine modeler, but I want to build USS INDIANA (BB-58) in 1/350. Which trumpeter kit is best to start with for a late war fit for INDIANA?

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I would go with the Alabama, I am doing an early (1942) Indiana and was able to get a hold of a Yankee Model Works conversion for my Massachusetts. All four of the South Dakota's were unique but the Alabama was the newest and so has many of the eventual changes that were made to them during the war (removal of boat cranes etc). the Massachusetts is a Post-War fit and really not a good match for even a late WWII Massachusetts... Either way there's a lot of modifications to build the unique or period AA load out. Just my 2 cents. Cheers.

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Hey! I wonder if anyone of you knows the answer to a question I have. USS Alabama got her bridge enclosed during a refit in Bremerton, WA between Jan-Mar 1945. USS Massachusetts Bridge was enclosed after the war in 1946. But does anyone know when USS South Dakota and USS Indiana got their bridges enclosed? Did they also get them only after the war or did they get it enclosed before the end? I know that Big Mammie used awnings on the bridge, tied down with a few poles welded to the bridge walkway late in the war but I'm talking about the real enclosed bridge


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You should look through the Navsource photos - South Dakota still had the awning-style enclosure when she entered mothballs in '46: http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/015710.jpg

Similarly for Indiana: http://navsource.org/archives/01/058/015814.jpg (pic's from '63, during scrapping)

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This is BB-59 ma. I 'am working on All scratch built original ,this is out of mold hull and deck ,superstructure and deck equipment
all 3d printed . I do have hull and superstructure in resin and epoxyglass .


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Timmy C wrote:
You should look through the Navsource photos - South Dakota still had the awning-style enclosure when she entered mothballs in '46: http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/015710.jpg

Similarly for Indiana: http://navsource.org/archives/01/058/015814.jpg (pic's from '63, during scrapping)


What is awning in that case? I know the poles are welded to the walkway but is the top steel or is it something like cloth? I guess since it was still around in 63 it was steel? My guess would have been its pretty much an „interim“ enclosed brige


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Btw does anyone have a good Plan drawing of a SoDak class from the front?
like this for Bismarck:
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I was looking for something like this for sodaks for a long time but I just cant find anything.


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