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PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 1:30 am 
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Two main things made HMS Dreadnought (and thus the namesake category) stand out: the battery arrangement AND the use of turbines for the engines. Though Duncan and the even newer Lord Nelson class may have been stepping stones towards the Dreadnought's gun arrangement, their lack of turbines (and the speed they afforded) safely discounted them from being the "revolutionary" category-setter that Dreadnought was.

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I'll go along with that. I just thought that if we were going on artillery alone, the Duncans and the Nelsons are nearly there at least.

I see what you mean about Dreadnought though, she really was the "full package" so to speak.

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I wouldn't say the Duncans were even close - she only had four of the 12" guns, while the next largest were 6" which wouldn't be at all useful in the same way Dreadnought's ten/eight 12" were.

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Probably better to cite the succeeding King Edward VII-class instead of the Duncan-class for this line of argument. Not much about the Duncans that sets them apart from earlier British pre-dreads aside from their higher speed.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2016 12:33 pm 
I'm working on a model of HMS Collingwood of the Admiral class. Does anyone have any photos of the superstructure or bridges?


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i have some foto scannerized from the two russian booklets of morskaia kollectia on the admiral class more some foto of a virtual model of hood and foto of the other ship of the class. they are some foto on first volume of burt and in a russian edition of Parks (vol 3). if you are interested send me by pm your e mail address
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2016 4:20 pm 
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g. shoda wrote:
I'm working on a model of HMS Collingwood of the Admiral class. Does anyone have any photos of the superstructure or bridges?

Nothing on Collingwood I'm afraid but I have photos of a lovely model of Anson. If you PM me your email address I will send them to you.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 5:01 am 
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Speedbird - wonderful sketching.

In response to your question, from memory, the Duncans were created to match a reported 19 knot Russian class, and intended for China Station service. Being lighter of armour, some officers regarded them as 2nd class battleships. Burt in his book mentions Renown, Duncan, Canopus classes as being a forerunner to the battlecruiser - but in truth they were very close in speed to the other ships. Moreover, the large armoured cruisers were being termed 'battlecruiser' in the 1890s, and more ominously were being included in battlefleet planning.

There exists online a dissertation "The Genesis of a Cruiser Navy: British First Class Cruiser Development 1884-1909" by Scott M Lindgren which is a treasure trove on these vessels and the navy operating them. You can find it as a pdf.


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Would Vallejo 991 be an acceptable shade of medium grey for Montagu in her earlyier days?

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Littorio is painted in 991 and I've read a couple sources that say 991 is acceptable. If anyone has a better suggestion, I'm all ears.

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Guys, is there a full hull 1/700 pre-dreadnought royal navy battleship?

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