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So all the plans that show a perforated pattern are wrong? Maybe an example of not knowing and assuming the scource you are basing your drawings on are correct?

Here is the bow forefoot Dan.

Any date for that photo Brett?

And is that a crop from a larger photo?

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“We are off to look for trouble. I expect we shall find it.” Capt. Tennant, HMS Repulse. 8 December 1941
“A review of the situation at about 1100 was not encouraging.” Capt. Gordon, HMS Exeter. 1 March 1942

Kevin, the image is cropped from a larger shot, it is Sumatra, not sure of the time frame.

Thanks, that nails it

Thanks Brett. Interesting how in actuality (i.e. in the photo) the bow stem seems to have a rounded 'curve' upwards as opposed to the more 'hard' up-angle that some renderings show.

Clarification edit: Replaced the word 'drawings' with 'renderings'.

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“We are off to look for trouble. I expect we shall find it.” Capt. Tennant, HMS Repulse. 8 December 1941
“A review of the situation at about 1100 was not encouraging.” Capt. Gordon, HMS Exeter. 1 March 1942

Yes I should have written 'renderings' (as in 2nd party renderings) as opposed to 'drawings', which might be taken to mean plans, which was not my intent. I'll change that wording now.

I meant like below for instance. Or were the two ships (Java & Sumatra) different at the bow?

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“We are off to look for trouble. I expect we shall find it.” Capt. Tennant, HMS Repulse. 8 December 1941
“A review of the situation at about 1100 was not encouraging.” Capt. Gordon, HMS Exeter. 1 March 1942

But which 'view' does yours show, that is like what Brett posted, or in the 'rendering' I posted?

If you look closely at Brett's photo, you can see what appears to be a line (join?) along where my red arrows now point, so I wonder if that 'triangular' piece / area forward of those arrows was added at some stage?

Further below is another 'drawing' I found on-line that shows that heavily slanted bottom part of the lower bow stem. Are these 'renderings / drawings' just wrong, or is that how the ships were originally built?

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“We are off to look for trouble. I expect we shall find it.” Capt. Tennant, HMS Repulse. 8 December 1941
“A review of the situation at about 1100 was not encouraging.” Capt. Gordon, HMS Exeter. 1 March 1942

The Skeg appears to have been an afterthought.

Who'se that being launched Brett, Java or Sumatra?

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“We are off to look for trouble. I expect we shall find it.” Capt. Tennant, HMS Repulse. 8 December 1941
“A review of the situation at about 1100 was not encouraging.” Capt. Gordon, HMS Exeter. 1 March 1942

The launch image is tagged as Java, what are you looking for Kevin ?
If DavidP`s drawing is dated 1926 and it is official ? it`s a fair assumption that the modification was performed on both ships fairly early.

Thanks Brett. And no particular thing I was looking for, just a general interest in pics (of the Class, particularly Java) that I havent seen before.

And of course the 'skeg' (or forefoot) photo you posted upthread was Sumatra, as you had said that before, so not sure why I foolishly asked that a second time (which I have now edited out to at least try and hide my failing memory ). Gettin' old I guess, or trying to juggle too many things at once on the computer. Both probably!.

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“We are off to look for trouble. I expect we shall find it.” Capt. Tennant, HMS Repulse. 8 December 1941
“A review of the situation at about 1100 was not encouraging.” Capt. Gordon, HMS Exeter. 1 March 1942

Sorry if you guys already familiar with these drawings. But this is what the original ship plan shows. To me it looks like solid plate with ribbing and two holes for cables.

No, I had not seen those before..........unless that is the plan/s that are in the Dutch language 'Java and Sumatra Cruisers' book (by, at a guess, Mulder?), which I have but it's half a world away now. Thanks for posting those.

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“We are off to look for trouble. I expect we shall find it.” Capt. Tennant, HMS Repulse. 8 December 1941
“A review of the situation at about 1100 was not encouraging.” Capt. Gordon, HMS Exeter. 1 March 1942

I'm not familiar with that book. Plans I posted are copies of originals from Dutch archives. You can see the whole set plus many many more here:
https://www.nationaalarchief.nl/onderzoeken/archief/4.MST/invnr/%401

Looks like that foot at the bow was added for streaming paravanes for mine sweeping. The cables would be led through the holes. It certainly looks like an afterthought.

Phil

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A collision at sea will ruin your entire day. Aristotle

Just thought I'd resurrect this thread with a wonderful painting done of Dr Ruyter by Maarten Platje.
https://maartenplatje.com/product/art-p ... 45+x+60+cm

Seems to portray the moment during the B of JS on 27-2-42 just after Exeter took the 8" hit and starts to sheer away astern of DR.

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“We are off to look for trouble. I expect we shall find it.” Capt. Tennant, HMS Repulse. 8 December 1941
“A review of the situation at about 1100 was not encouraging.” Capt. Gordon, HMS Exeter. 1 March 1942

And whose firing on the Allies? These two, Nachi and Haguro (right) depicted in that very same gunfire exchange; from a print by Jim Laurier.
https://www.jimlaurier.com/

Unfortunately it was 'painted' and published reversed in the book it was originally commissioned for, that is with the ships firing to starboard.

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“We are off to look for trouble. I expect we shall find it.” Capt. Tennant, HMS Repulse. 8 December 1941
“A review of the situation at about 1100 was not encouraging.” Capt. Gordon, HMS Exeter. 1 March 1942