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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:57 am 
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When you start looking closely at the picture, you begin to see more and more...

I'm getting the strong impression now that the port side of the forward funnel is also one shade darker than always assumed. That means it would be B6 blue instead of ap507c. This seems to be confirmed by the head-on picture from the stbd bow as well.

What do you think?

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Hey guys, does anyone have any info or can point me to an accurate source book on the camo scheme that HMS Glasgow wore in 1942?

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According to Alan Raven Camouflage Vol One: Royal Navy 1939-41 (New York: WR Press,2000) and Alan Raven Camouflage Vol One: Royal Navy 1942 (New York: WR Press,2001), GLASGOW wore a symmetrical "stepped" camouflage from August 1941 - September 1942 (see IWM Photo Ref A6790 - http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/search), and an Admiralty Disruptive pattern from November 1942 onwards - the latter was not symmetrical - stbd side at http://uboat.net/media/allies/warships/ ... lasgow.jpg.


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and what about the funnel issue ? are there new elements or analysis to settle this at last ? same or different front/aft funnels for WW2 ?
we should even try a poll about this.

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I am working on building HMS Sheffield in 1/600 with the Airfix Belfast as the basis, using the article in Airfix Magazine from 1977 - I started this in my youth (when that article was the cutting edge!) and have recently, many years on, brought it out of mothballs to try to complete it. Apart from this article, (the drawing in which is pretty basic) and the Ensign No5, my main sources are photographs. So some queries about various details inevitably arise. This one is going to sound a bit obvious, but anyway. The issue concerns the boats stored behind the aft funnel. Do they have their bows or sterns facing forward? The Airfix mag drawing appears to imply they are stern-first (and not aligned fore-and-aft either, but at an angle). High quality models I have seen on the internet also have the boats stern first, Photos of this part of the ship are hard to come by, since in profile the boats are hidden by the crew shelters for the HA), but the ones I have found that show tantalising glimpses of the boats look like they are bows forward. Ensign 5 has a profile of Sheffield but no plan drawing. Does anyone know of a plan drawing, or of definitive photos that can settle this niggling little issue for me?

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I can't help with SHEFFIELD; however, there's a plan of a near sister,MANCHESTER, of the GLOUCESTER group, at http://dsmithdale.net/manchester/m01.gif. Not sure how accurate it is, but it shows that all four of the visible boats in that location are bows aft, at an angle to the fore'n'aft line. There are photos of NEWCASTLE, a sister of the SOUTHAMPTON group, under repair in the USA, which don't show the boats themselves, but do show the crutches on which they would be stowed, on this webpage: http://www.mo-na-ko.net/galerie/real_va ... /Page.html, photos 1 and 3.


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Martin, what time period of your Sheffield?


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Why do they have an Anchor stored in the middle of the deck?

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David,
I'm am building her as during her service with Force H in 1941.
I found a photo on the IWM site, photo A6866 at http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205140955
among the many excellent photos they have taken on board Sheffield in 1941, from later in the year in the Soviet Union, where the boats are shown covered in tarpaulins, but the shapes under them seem to be bows forward.

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Not tremendous quality I'm afraid but this should answer your question: Sheffield 13 Aug 1941


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The anchor stowed upright aft of NEWCASTLE's after funnel is probably a kedge anchor. It would be lifted onto one of the ship's boats, such as a motor cutter, which would then lay it astern of the ship to reduce the swing when anchored with limited riding space.


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I always liked the lines of the Town class cruisers, and as my shop got a record sales day yesterday, I decided to get a Town-Class resin kit. My question is, I probably want to build one of the Town first series cruisers prewar in Mediterranean or early war in Norway. Which of the kits (WEM/Atlantic or L'Arsenal) would be better suited to build an early war Town?

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The L'Arsenal kit of Sheffield is likely much better - and I do not think that to convert it into an earlier fit could be difficult. For sure, only the Southampton class can be built without bigger changes.

http://www.modellmarine.de/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4364:larsenal-britischer-leichter-kreuzer-hms-sheffield-1700&catid=38

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Thanks! Just ordered one - lets see how good it is. Else, I always can opt for a later fit ;)

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If the L'Arsenal Southampton is anything like their Jamaica (which I expect it would be), it is an amazingly detailed kit with a lot of cool stuff packed in (fine resin parts, full PE, metal barrels), but it is also an absolute pain in the *edited* to build. Good luck, you'll need it!

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Vlad is correct!
The following changes should be made to convert the 1942 SHEFFIELD kit to earlier fits of her immediate sisters (not BIRMINGHAM, whose hull did not have the "knuckle" forward):
For SOUTHAMPTON 1939-41, omit all Oerlikons and associated splinter shields, all RDF (radar) and mountings, barrage director and substructure for'd of bridge, radar offices aft of bridge and on after superstructure and splinter shields outboard of twin 4" HA mountings, remove after HA.DCT and replace with square non-revolving control position, add quadruple 0.5" mountings on for'd corners of after superstructure and rangefinders for'd of the forward HA.DCTs. Rearrange Carley Floats.
NEWCASTLE was very similar, until mid 1940 when UP rocket projectile mountings were fitted on "B" turret and the quarterdeck.
SHEFFIELD was similar to SOUTHAMPTON, but was fitted with the third HA.DCT from completion, although it was not on the high pedestal provided in the L'Arsenal kit, and was fitted with RDF Type 79 at the mastheads before the war. In late 1941 she was fitted with 6 single 20mm Oerlikons, and given a First Admiralty Disruptive camouflage scheme; the configuration provided by L'Arsenal matches her appearance after mid-1942 with more Oerlikons, different camouflage, and a full RDF fit.
GLASGOW was similar to SHEFFIELD as completed, but did not receive RDF until much later, and then only Type 286. She had UP mountings fitted from mid 1940.


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That helps alot! Is there a good book with detailed plans and good photos on the class?

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The best coverage of the class which I have come across is in the long-out-of-print Alan Raven & John Roberts Ensign 5: Town Class Cruisers (London: Bivouac Books, 1975) and Alan Raven & John Roberts British Cruisers of World War Two (Arms & Armour Press, 1980). There is a plan of SOUTHAMPTON in Norman Friedman British Cruisers: Two World Wars and After (Barnsley: Pen & Sword Books, 2010) and some useful photos in Neil McCart Town Class Cruisers (Liskeard: Maritime Books, 2012).


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 3:37 am 
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Hi, thanks! I found all 4 these books orderable as remote lease (coming from other libraries from Germany) over local library, placed orders on them, hope to see them in a week

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